map - Monday, January 07, 2002, 12:51 PM
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>> Melange Chat Server (Version 1.10), Apr-25-1999

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[13, allan]: Nol- How about at concerts etc., is public consumption common at these kind of events?
[5, Dean_Becker]: Nol, do they need auditors, analysts, etc who speak english over there, any jobs?
>> User unknown comes in from 65.68.207.245 at line 18.
>> [18] unknown is called greenreaper now.
[7, Capt_Sternn]: lol dean, i'm right behind you
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: Yes, smoking at concerts is normal behaviour, and make sit better quality and peacefull.
[16, Richard_Lake]: Friends, please try to refrain from side conversations while our guest is here so that this transcript is not impossible to do quickly. Want to distribute it yet tonight.
[3, maryjaneflores]: how about technical support people who speak english?
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: Every Dutch person speaks and writes English...
>> Your new name is MaxSton (Line 12).
[15, Jo-D]: se
>> Your new name is MaxStone (Line 12).
[18, greenreaper]: heyheyhey
<13> allan whispered: Highya BB!
[16, Richard_Lake]: Any job openings for quality control taste testers, Nol???
>> Your message has been sent to [13] allan.
[4, Trippin981819254]: lol
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: Well, I am thinking of vretirement, a taster would come in handy LOL..
[3, maryjaneflores]: yes, but how hard is it to get a job and not be an "illegal alien" over there?
[12, MaxStone]: is the-non-official-smokesperson-from-the-extreme-edge-of-the-radical-fringe-of-the-Australian-Cannabis-Law-Reform-Movement
[7, Capt_Sternn]: heck, I'll even be your janitor
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: My staff is difficult to get rid off, they never leave...
[3, maryjaneflores]: what would be the proceedure for one who wanted to immigrate?
<10> a-b-seeds whispered:  happy 2002, will it be the final year for stupid pot laws?
>> User unknown comes in from 207.144.217.197 at line 19.
[9, derek]:  
>> [19] unknown is called Hobe now.
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: It is hard for non-europeans to get a legal status in Holland, and housing is expensive too, if not impossible.
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: You could start your own business though, online from Holland ?
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>> User unknown comes in from 216.166.44.105 at line 10.
[3, maryjaneflores]: Is there somewhere in Europe that it is easy to immigrate to .. then you could immigrate to Holland as a European maybe?
[12, MaxStone]: Nol are you aware of the hemp bar, nimbins on line illegal Cannabis cafe?
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[5, Dean_Becker]: If I could ever sell a script I could hang out there and write.
[13, allan]: Nol- when ex US Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey lied about Dutch policies, crime etc, what was the reaction there?
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: Europe is hard to get in to, maybe the UK, dunno.
[12, MaxStone]: and what is the latest news on the swiss dude who is on a hunger strike?
[12, MaxStone]: 54 days now i believe, 
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: I have met some people from Nimbin in our Global Hempmuseum,they are ok...Mathew, I think..
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: Rappaz is still hungering, I believe...
[4, Trippin981819254]: yeeeeaaaahhhhh
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: I have never met Rappaz, though we have been in the same press articles..
[8, observer]: _
[11, Pam]: Nol, I too am curious to your answer to allan's question
[12, MaxStone]: we have a couple of dudes from his community in nimbinat the moment who alerted us to his plight
[13, allan]: Nol- When ex-US Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey lied about Dutch policies, crime, etc, what was the reaction there?
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: It is past 3o'clock in the morning here, I am off, good night...
[6, cellogirl]: thanks for coming Nol
[13, allan]: Thanks Nol!
[5, Dean_Becker]: Nol, you are so kind.  Thank you.
[10, unknown]: Bye Nol, thanks for the chat
[3, maryjaneflores]: thanks.. bye
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: We laughed at MC Caffrey, our government called him a liar...
[4, Trippin981819254]: bye nol..thank you
[15, Jo-D]: appreciate your time and efforts nol!
[11, Pam]: thank you Nol and much luck
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[5, Dean_Becker]: Come back and see us when you can Nol.
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: Ask me again, I will be her, some earlier ??
[12, MaxStone]: and follow a swiss model for UK, not the dutch model
>> [10] unknown is called Capt_Sternn now.
[5, Dean_Becker]: Will do, I'll be in touch soon
[12, MaxStone]: dutch model is fatallt flawed
[12, MaxStone]: fatally
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: I will keep Dean upodated on the situation in the UK around Colin.
[9, derek]: Thanks Nol
[12, MaxStone]: depends on police discretion
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: Free Colin Davies !!!!!!!!!!
[5, Dean_Becker]: Yes, tell him we are all with him!
[2, Frank]: 
[11, Pam]: Nol, can you stay for a global ignition, where's the bot?
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: The Swiss model of dopeshops is for Swiss only, not for foreigners, not fair, uh ?
[12, MaxStone]: me prefer prohibition to police discretion
>> User unknown comes in from 165.247.109.34 at line 3.
>> [3] unknown is called DrugSenseBot001 now.
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: DrugSenseBot001 at your service.
[6, cellogirl]: wb bot
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ty cellogirl
[5, Dean_Becker]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Dean_Becker is ready, anyone else?
[16, Richard_Lake]: Thanks so much for visiting, Nol!
[6, cellogirl]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: cellogirl is ready, anyone else?
[4, Trippin981819254]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Trippin981819254 is ready, anyone else?
[11, Pam]: ready
[13, allan]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  Pam is ready, anyone else?
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  allan is ready, anyone else?
[12, MaxStone]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  MaxStone is ready, anyone else?
[16, Richard_Lake]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  Richard_Lake is ready, anyone else?
[8, observer]: countdown
[5, Dean_Becker]: everyone say ready,let Nol get out of here.
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 5
[2, Frank]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 4
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 3
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 2
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 1
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  [[[ ignition! at T = :06:34. ]]] 
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Frank is ready, anyone else?
[12, MaxStone]: ;O)--~ ooooooooooo)0000000000000
[12, MaxStone]: toke off
>> [8] observer is called observer_away now.
[5, Dean_Becker]: Fire it up
[4, Trippin981819254]: ____[]~~
[13, allan]: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.....
[13, allan]: ffffff....
[14, Nol_van_Schaik]: Thanks for being so kind, hope I clearde some things...bye !
[12, MaxStone]: we had cafes in nimbin based on dutch model;
[5, Dean_Becker]: Thanks again Nol, much respect for what you guys are doing.
[9, derek]: 
[12, MaxStone]: police changed policy
[12, MaxStone]: busted
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[16, Richard_Lake]: Well, it looks like the guest chat is officially over, Jo-D. I will be looking for the transcript....
[12, MaxStone]: dang, whist i had of got here earlier
[2, Frank]: Madison needs some coffeeshops
[13, allan]: sorry Max...
[5, Dean_Becker]: What a guest, I'm still smiling, I can see the coffee shop, smell the weed and coffee.. stoked again
[6, cellogirl]: Hey Frank!
[6, cellogirl]: yeah, nol is very cool :)
[13, allan]: BB- I got here 10 minutes early and I was late... :)
[19, Hobe]: :-)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ;-]
[2, Frank]: Hey Cello!
[16, Richard_Lake]: Friends, please check into the New York Times Forum, same times, Monday evening. It promises to be super!!!
[2, Frank]: supper?
[4, Trippin981819254]: I'll take two Mcpine joints and a side of hash
[13, allan]: Rich- thats the forum? Gray, etc...
[5, Dean_Becker]: I talked to Milton Friedman for most of an hour today.  Tomorrow promises to be damned BIG.. please be there.
>> User unknown comes in from 207.253.205.165 at line 14.
[15, Jo-D]: rich, script on the way :)
[13, allan]: Dean, check you out dude!
>> [14] unknown is called a-b-seeds now.
[2, Frank]: hi
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: hi Frank
[9, derek]: :-)_~
[6, cellogirl]: how's albert :)
[16, Richard_Lake]: MONDAY, JAN 7th in the New York Times Drug Policy Forum at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific: PANEL - "INDICTMENT OF PROHIBITION" with Judge James P. Gray, Milton Friedman, Eugene Oscapela and Catherine Austin Fitts.
[2, Frank]: hi ab
[15, Jo-D]: gotta go for a bit..take care all :)
[12, MaxStone]: all hail the mechanism
[14, a-b-seeds]: high ! all
[4, Trippin981819254]: bye jo-d
[5, Dean_Becker]: see ya Jod , thanks so much
[9, derek]:  cee ya
[13, allan]: See ya Jo-D!
[2, Frank]: Albert is snoozin' again Cello. 
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>> [0] Hobe, Group: 1001
>> [1] kaptinemo, Group: 1001
>> [2] Frank, Group: 1001
>> [3] DrugSenseBot001, Group: 1001
>> [4] Trippin981819254, Group: 1001
>> [5] Dean_Becker, Group: 1001
>> [6] cellogirl, Group: 1001
>> [7] Capt_Sternn, Group: 1001
>> [8] observer_away, Group: 1001
>> [9] derek, Group: 1001
>> [10] Capt_Sternn, Group: 1001
>> [11] Pam, Group: 1001
>> [12] MaxStone, Group: 1001
>> [13] allan, Group: 1001
>> [14] a-b-seeds, Group: 1001
>> [16] Richard_Lake, Group: 1001
>> [17] Amanda, Group: 1001
>> [19] Hobe, Group: 1001
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[5, Dean_Becker]: Hi AB
[5, Dean_Becker]: wb
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: wb is welcome back
[6, cellogirl]: man, albert is THE cat  :)
[14, a-b-seeds]: war
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  what is it good for?
[2, Frank]: warm
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: warm is good
[16, Richard_Lake]: Eugene and James are old friends. Every time I see Eugene he is right over thanking me for all the news, which he reads first thing every morning. Makes my day!
[4, Trippin981819254]: cool
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: cool is good
[5, Dean_Becker]: Hell yeah Richard
[13, allan]: Dean, wasn't it less than a year ago you were lookin for an avenue for yer activism?
[2, Frank]: good
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: good is cool
[9, derek]: Thanks folks been most enjoyable
[4, Trippin981819254]: lol
[12, MaxStone]: hempbar
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: the hempbar is a cool place in Nimbin! http://www.nimbinaustralia.com/hempbar
[13, allan]: absolutely derek!
[5, Dean_Becker]: writing scripts, yeah.. never do any scripts of late, writing a song though
[14, a-b-seeds]: nananana   joint is already rolled this time. no longer panic if i see "ready" lol
[5, Dean_Becker]: see ya Derek
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[16, Richard_Lake]: Thank you, derek, for all that you do! Derek is one of our MAP heros. He maintains the PUB LTE archives.
>> User unknown comes in from 65.11.249.90 at line 9.
>> [9] unknown is called ann now.
[16, Richard_Lake]: Ooops.
[12, MaxStone]: so, anyone else in here agree that the dutch model is fatally flawed?
[16, Richard_Lake]: ANN?????
[5, Dean_Becker]: Another tough job, right Richard?
[9, ann]: knock, knock..
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: "... the websites of both the Drug Policy Foundation, a self-proclaimed drug policy reform group, and the Media Awareness Project, both provide links to a site that gives instructions for how to manufacture the drug "ecstasy."" - Barry McCaffrey
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 9:13:11 PM ET ]
[13, allan]: Howdy Ann!
[2, Frank]: Hi Ann!
[12, MaxStone]: webgreetings ann
[5, Dean_Becker]: Hi Ann
[13, allan]: who's there?
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: there is none
[8, observer_away]: _
[16, Richard_Lake]: Is that really you, Ann?  I have been concerned about you, no word for some time....
[9, ann]: The long lost Rhode Islander
[13, allan]: BB- US model is most defininitely FATALLY flawed...
[9, ann]: Yeah.. been wallowing in the dark place
[5, Dean_Becker]: Good to see you back Ann, is all well.. as can be
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[12, MaxStone]: lol nalla
[16, Richard_Lake]: Please fill us in on what is happening, Ann. You are among friends.
[9, ann]: The old depression monster bit me
[2, Frank]: and bot
[13, allan]: damn monsters...
[16, Richard_Lake]: Hear that, Ann. Sucks!
[12, MaxStone]: BTW, BigBong is not coming to mapchat this year, me coming instead 
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  Get ready! It is *almost* 4:20 in Harare, Amman, Helsinki, Honolulu, Ankara, Athens, Istanbul, Jerusalem, Johannesburg, Beirut, Kiritimati, Sofia, Bucharest, Cairo, Tallinn, Cape Town, Minsk    (it is 4:15 there now) 
[5, Dean_Becker]: Well good things are happening around us.  Nol van Schaik had some great stories of success and endeavors in the UK.
[9, ann]: It comes and goes, since this DEA shit started it seems it comes more than it goes
[13, allan]: I hear that Ann
[12, MaxStone]: there has abeen a coup amongst my multiple personalities ;O)--~
[9, ann]: They have that affect
[4, Trippin981819254]: bot
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: yes, Trippin981819254?
[13, allan]: BB- a '49 Coupe?
[4, Trippin981819254]: almost?
[9, ann]: effect
[5, Dean_Becker]: brb
[9, ann]: Rusty is out here and he won't let me be depressed.. Too much work to do he says
[12, MaxStone]: forget BigBong ever came to MAPchat and I will remeber that Max Stone is still BB at heart
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  MaxStone, I have forgotten bigbong ever came to mapchat and i will remeber that max stone is still bb at heart.
[9, ann]: ;-)  vacation is over
[13, allan]: wb Ann!
[6, cellogirl]: _
<14> a-b-seeds whispered: i ask you if what i do is ok, other seeds bank don't like that my price is very low 2$ per seeds, i said fuck off my goal is to spread seeds all over the planet, now i am beeing accuse putting sticks in the wheels of many pot-org.
[12, MaxStone]: 2002 is the year that more dominos fall, the year that more countries adopt "just" cannabios law reform
[16, Richard_Lake]: I get down at times, too, Ann. It seems like such a long hard fight. It is hard sometimes to believe that the light at the end of the tunnel is not a freight train....
<14> a-b-seeds whispered: all for the clients !
[19, Hobe]: :-)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ;-]
[9, ann]: missed you guys.. it's just, you know how it gets when the distance from the couch to the compter looks like a cross-country excursion?
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[12, MaxStone]: nope
[9, ann]: damn straight, Rich
[13, allan]: No shit Rich, especially when we sleep on the tracks occasionally...
[10, Capt_Sternn]: I did?
[9, ann]: LOL
[11, Pam]: -
[9, ann]: Since '95 I feel like I have been perpetually on the track
[5, Dean_Becker]: Yeah, it's coming to a point real soon.. even in the US.
[9, ann]: and that damn train!..
[13, allan]: that long already? damn...
[12, MaxStone]: can't imagine being too depressed to want to log on
[13, allan]: I can... :(
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  It's now 4:20 in Harare, Amman, Helsinki, Honolulu, Ankara, Athens, Istanbul, Jerusalem, Johannesburg, Beirut, Kiritimati, Sofia, Bucharest, Cairo, Tallinn, Cape Town, Minsk
[12, MaxStone]: web is best remedy for the blues available
[14, a-b-seeds]: 420
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: it's 420, wwwho is ready to burn a cyber phattie?
[9, ann]: Since Todd's initial arrest -- July 18, 1995 in Ohio
[11, Pam]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  Pam is ready, anyone else?
[13, allan]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  allan is ready, anyone else?
[5, Dean_Becker]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Dean_Becker is ready, anyone else?
[6, cellogirl]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: cellogirl is ready, anyone else?
[12, MaxStone]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  MaxStone is ready, anyone else?
[4, Trippin981819254]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Trippin981819254 is ready, anyone else?
[10, Capt_Sternn]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  Capt_Sternn is ready, anyone else?
[14, a-b-seeds]: rmore then ready, all ready burning ,,,,miam miam
[2, Frank]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Frank is ready, anyone else?
[14, a-b-seeds]: j aime ca fumer car c est bon, merci
[9, ann]: drought conditions here -- but we're working on it (blow a puff through the computer ;-)
>> [13] allan is called anyone now.
[13, anyone]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  anyone is ready, anyone else?
[9, ann]: we'll catch it ;-)
>> [13] anyone is called anyone_else now.
[13, anyone_else]: readuy
[13, anyone_else]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  anyone_else is ready, anyone else?
>> [13] anyone_else is called allan now.
[5, Dean_Becker]: fire the dang thing up!
[13, allan]: countdown
[14, a-b-seeds]: yo allan 
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 5
[16, Richard_Lake]: You should have been here earlier, Ann. Our special guest was a dude from A'dam that owns three coffeeshops. Hard for us here in the states to picture. I remember Todd's arrest being written up in the Toledo Blade, Ann. I was just getting more involved again, and finding the 'net....
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 4
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 3
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 2
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 1
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  [[[ ignition! at T = :22:15. ]]] 
[12, MaxStone]: ;O)--~ oooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0000000000000 TOKE -OFF 
[4, Trippin981819254]: )____[]~```
[13, allan]: ffffffff.... `     `     `    `
[9, ann]: Deep breath.... (hmmmmmm... contact high)
[5, Dean_Becker]: The launch of the spacecraft Drugsense on it's 4 trillion mile journey to Alpah Centari, all astronauts were volunteers
[8, observer_away]: _
[9, ann]: Isn't it funny how '95 now seems like the 'good old days'
[13, allan]: Dean- Jefferson Starship, Blows Against The Empire!
[4, Trippin981819254]: <------willing participant
[16, Richard_Lake]: Ann, you may have noticed that we now have this bot, who is in love with HAL, and is getting smarter every week.
[12, MaxStone]: me on a 420 trillion mile journey to the legendary planet cannabiniod
[9, ann]: 2001 Hal?
[5, Dean_Becker]: Allan need to hear it again, cant quite recall
[12, MaxStone]: located in the delta 9 sector of real space
[12, MaxStone]: co-ordinates 4 2 zero
[13, allan]: Dean, its the only true Jefferson Starship album...
[2, Frank]: ;)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ;-]  beep!
[13, allan]: HAL
[12, MaxStone]: forget the blues and beginning to party hearty
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  MaxStone, I have forgotten the blues and beginning to party hearty.
[9, ann]: I forgot how to whisper... help
[5, Dean_Becker]: I'll find it on bearshare later
[2, Frank]: That is a great one Allan. A lot of the Dead, and others sat in.
[13, allan]: ann- /msg # and talk away
[9, ann]: TY
[13, allan]: yeah Frank, lotsa folks on that one... great album
[2, Frank]: I need to get it on cd.
[13, allan]: Its prolly on CD nowadays...
[6, cellogirl]: _
[4, Trippin981819254]: had a jefferson starship 8 track once...lol
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Shamanism "is trans-dimensional travel. Literally." -- Terrance McKenna
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 9:27:11 PM ET ]
[2, Frank]: I always go blank when I get to the cd shop. Have to make a list.
[10, Capt_Sternn]: been fun all, I'm out
[13, allan]: night Cap'n
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[5, Dean_Becker]: See ya Capt
[9, ann]: g'nite CAPTAIN
[13, allan]: with 2 Cap'ns in here I wasn't sure who to salute...
[9, ann]: opps, sorry, hit the CapLock
[12, MaxStone]: me an emo saluter
[13, allan]: emergency marijuana officer?
[11, Pam]: Hey has anybody heard of an old album called Chil's Garder of Grass? it's a comedy, would love to find a copy again, mine was stolen  :(
[4, Trippin981819254]: allen...use both hands..lol
[13, allan]: Trippin- thats it! thanks
[12, MaxStone]: the pair decided that the UK was ready for a cannabis retail system modeled on the Dutch approach to cannabis sales.
[13, allan]: Pam, I have a copy...
[12, MaxStone]: wrong wrong wrong
[13, allan]: well BB... the question is rather rhetorical, no?
[14, a-b-seeds]: let people grow, let people be free to grow their own. then i will see
[13, allan]: you are there, I am here...
[12, MaxStone]: trouble is that poo pooing the dutch approach is like trying to tell everyone that the emperor is wearing no clothes
[5, Dean_Becker]: Hey yall, if I get more people from Europe to come on here, we will need to start earlier.  Can ya still make it?
[12, MaxStone]: it's not relegalization
[12, MaxStone]: if regulation and blind eyed police
[12, MaxStone]: if = it's
[13, allan]: true BB, but Dutch are different folks...
[4, Trippin981819254]: better then slavery
[13, allan]: no brown rings on their noses, ya know...
[12, MaxStone]: it's designed by the same coutry that concieved the dutch east india company
[12, MaxStone]: and had the tulip wars
[14, a-b-seeds]: war
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  what is it good for?
[13, allan]: aah BB, that was then, waaaay back then, this is now...
[12, MaxStone]: and built a big wall to canute back the sea
[8, observer_away]: _
[12, MaxStone]: dutch model is basically regulation and corruption ridden
[9, ann]: Todd called me from Amsterdam some years ago and said, "I grew up in a country that claims to be free. Now I'm living in one that is." He should have stayed in Europe.
[12, MaxStone]: why can't anyone see?
[13, allan]: BB, I am not disagreeing...
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: cannabis oil contains: 1,8-cineole (eucalyptol) 0.001%, Melting temp 176 F -- AChE inhibitor Increase cerebral blood flow stimulant antibiotic anti inflammatoryanti viral antinociceptive
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 9:34:11 PM ET ]
[12, MaxStone]: the dangers of dutch adoption?
[13, allan]: just being contentious... ;)
[14, a-b-seeds]: i see and i do, i don't wait for the laws to change
[12, MaxStone]: when our 2 ducth model cafes got busted the cafe owners sure wished they had of followed the swiss model
[13, allan]: we all engage in civil disobedience with each puff we take...
[9, ann]: a-b, how are you doing? Is life treating you kindly?
[16, Richard_Lake]: I think, Dean, if it is on the weekend it is more likely that folks could show up earlier for a chat. Winter is good for us in the north who need something to do besides feed the chickens to have chats at different times.
[12, MaxStone]: me not contensiusing with any 'one" of y'all
[13, allan]: we all activate against the machine every time we log on or go to a demonstration...
[12, MaxStone]: mostly typing to the all of the wwworld
[14, a-b-seeds]: no, i recently got pulled over on the road, the cops smelled the pot, they called for back up, i was in for a ride
<13> allan whispered: I know...
[9, ann]: shit.
[6, cellogirl]: _
[14, a-b-seeds]: canada-banana republica, without the palm trees
>> Your message has been sent to [13] allan.
[4, Trippin981819254]: sorry to hear that....abs
[9, ann]: Max - fill me in on the Swiss model
[14, a-b-seeds]: i still have my car
[5, Dean_Becker]: what happened AB?
[4, Trippin981819254]: cool
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: cool is good
[12, MaxStone]: relegalization for the citizens of swisserland
[16, Richard_Lake]: kewl
[9, ann]: see.. now that's a plus. In the states, you'd probably be walking
[14, a-b-seeds]: the cops saw  lots of seeds but they didn t touch it
[12, MaxStone]: recreational use, industrial, medicinal, no limits or paperwork
[2, Frank]: bot, cool = kewl?
[12, MaxStone]: on planting own crops
[13, allan]: BB- yeah the Swiss have a standing militia also, they all own guns
[9, ann]: Ahhh.. you mean the way it SHOULD be.. Free to choose
[14, a-b-seeds]: Dean, the cops had nothing to do, they got lucky becasue 10 minutes before i smoked a huge-one, the smell stay for ever in a car lol
[13, allan]: ready to defend their homes... or get high in the meantime...
[16, Richard_Lake]: a-b, if they had seen the seeds, and they would grow, in the states they probably would just hang you.
[2, Frank]: Go, the Swiss!
[14, a-b-seeds]: no speeding, the car is in great condition, nothing to do
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[5, Dean_Becker]: Why has nobody come up with Ozium pot?
[12, MaxStone]: http://www.nimbinaustralia.com/cannabiscafes/fastrak.html
[13, allan]: good question Dean...
[12, MaxStone]: is wwwhere you can find the nimbin adaptation of the swiss model
[14, a-b-seeds]: i know Richard, usa gouv dont like me, 
[12, MaxStone]: http://www.nimbinaustralia.com/cannabiscafes/fastrak.html
[4, Trippin981819254]: i like the smell
[2, Frank]: yeah Dean
[13, allan]: or even better, a potleaf shaped deodorizer to  hang from the mirror...
[5, Dean_Becker]: I like the smell of fresh pot too, could never cover it anyway I bet
[14, a-b-seeds]: when i 'll be 117 years old ,i will allowed to apply to ask for a visit to usa lol
[13, allan]: that smewlls like ganja, of course...
[12, MaxStone]: swiss model doesn't quite go far enough for mine, but in essence, it is the closest to what i would prefer be implemented
[12, MaxStone]: full relegalization
[6, cellogirl]: _
[13, allan]: absolutely BB!
[9, ann]: As legal as a tomato plant..
[12, MaxStone]: cannabis optional without harrassment either due to use of because of use
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Where is there any book of the law so clear to each man as that written in his heart? -- Leo Tolstoy
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 9:41:11 PM ET ]
[4, Trippin981819254]: yeah
[5, Dean_Becker]: Sooner or later, every country will pull their head firmly out of their a$$
[11, Pam]: -
[2, Frank]: yes, like a tomato plant
[13, allan]: I don' know 'bout dat Dean...
[9, ann]: I still say it'as not about drugs it's about OIL
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>> [7] unknown is called chadman now.
[14, a-b-seeds]: i never saw a seven feet high tomato plant lol
[16, Richard_Lake]: Yes, selling seeds is shocking! McKzar told congress that MAP was just a click away from a site that SELLS SEEDS and wants to OVERTHROW (the word was actually overgrow) the Government. You are among enemies of the state!
[12, MaxStone]: http://nimbinaustralia.com/aclrm/view-for-2002.html
[2, Frank]: chadman!
[12, MaxStone]: webgreetings chadman
[16, Richard_Lake]: Hi, Chad
[5, Dean_Becker]: Sure Ann, oil, alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals, big campaign contributors, all
[13, allan]: wow Rich! This group is dangerous?
[7, chadman]: high all
[9, ann]: To keep hemp from being a renewable fuel source, they have to demonize
[5, Dean_Becker]: Hi Chadman
[13, allan]: heya chadman!
[12, MaxStone]: allan, surely that was a retorical question, this room is perhaps the most dangerous on the entire web
[9, ann]: Hi Chadman!  Been missing you, buddy
[12, MaxStone]: particularly when you are here
[13, allan]: O     m y    g a w d !
[14, a-b-seeds]: My parcels don't my company's name and we don't give a description, the parcel are easy to send in the usa, over grow the gouv. lol
[8, observer_away]: _
[12, MaxStone]: world cannabis policy is being formed as we speak
[5, Dean_Becker]: its a growing animal now for sure
[12, MaxStone]: the way we all percieve the situation morphs through input recieved in this applet
[9, ann]: Stoners with brains -- the most dangerous of all activists
[4, Trippin981819254]: lol
[12, MaxStone]: and what we say and write, eventually will come to be
[13, allan]: inconceivable (in the Prohibitionist mind)
[7, chadman]: lol
[12, MaxStone]: group visualization and then manifestation
[13, allan]: 100th monkey
[14, a-b-seeds]: pot will be legal, smooth way or hard way
[14, a-b-seeds]: war
[13, allan]: yes
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  what is it good for?
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>> [10] unknown is called olafur now.
[13, allan]: Olaf!!!
[12, MaxStone]: webgreetings olafur
[16, Richard_Lake]: Of course, dumb McKzar put his testimony on the ONDCP website, complete with with links, making it just a click away from those dangerous seed salesmen.
[5, Dean_Becker]: Hi Olafur good to see ya back
[13, allan]: Miss ya bro"...
[10, olafur]: howdy friends
[2, Frank]: Hi Olafur
[16, Richard_Lake]: OLAF! It is so good to here from you! How is everything!
[13, allan]: Rich he is not in US jail... :)
[14, a-b-seeds]: mother nature thinks i am a hero...the gouv think i am a zero...fuck them
[12, MaxStone]: all the REALLY DNAgerous seed salesmen work for monsanto (a USA company BTW)
[10, olafur]: I'm now safe in Sweden - feds trying to get me extradicted 
[13, allan]: no way!
[9, ann]: Listen to Mother.. you can trust her. The government? Don't risk it..
[9, ann]: They will lie to you everytime
[5, Dean_Becker]: Government Department of Fear and Trepidation
[9, ann]: Good one, Dean
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[13, allan]: DoFT
[16, Richard_Lake]: Do you think they can, Olaf???
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[5, Dean_Becker]: Thanks Ann
>> [15] unknown is called kaptinemo now.
[14, a-b-seeds]: it's dangerous to be right when the gouv. is wrong
[10, olafur]: Richard,  they think so - but it feels like the swedes thinks differently
[13, allan]: Olaf- Swedes backing you up?
[9, ann]: Who was it that said, "we had all the people behind us. But 'they' had all the guns"
[16, Richard_Lake]: You know I think you are the first from Sweden to visit the chat. And we had The Netherlands here tonight also.
[14, a-b-seeds]: they want war...WAR !!!!!! they'll get   LET MY PEOPLE ...GROW!!
[14, a-b-seeds]: war
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  what is it good for?
[10, olafur]: Still fishing for a lawyer - but yeah they want swedes back from the US prison gulag
[12, MaxStone]: monsanto is possibly the worst mistake ever made on earth, the way they have changed it so that plants no longer produce seeds.....
[13, allan]: terminator gene
[12, MaxStone]: so that you have to resupply from them is hideous
[14, a-b-seeds]: true max, saddly true
[9, ann]: follow the $$$$$$$$$$$
[12, MaxStone]: its a crime against our species survival
[14, a-b-seeds]: ogm frankenstein-genetic
[16, Richard_Lake]: Sweden is not exactly seen as pro-reform, to say the least. Is that changing at all, Olaf???
[14, a-b-seeds]: the beast is out-there, an for once it's not me
[5, Dean_Becker]: Ann have you heard about the Indictment of  Prohibition panel tommorow on the NYT?
[16, Richard_Lake]: PANEL - "INDICTMENT OF PROHIBITION" with Judge James P. Gray, Milton Friedman, Eugene Oscapela and Catherine Austin Fitts.
[9, ann]: No. Email me with details
[13, allan]: brb
[12, MaxStone]: monsanto, yet another northen hemi$phere mi$take
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[5, Dean_Becker]: 8 PM on the drug policy forum Ann, S/b great
[9, ann]: James Gray.. He was here a few months ago.. yes?
[16, Richard_Lake]: Yes
[9, ann]: gotcha
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>> [0] unknown is called olafur now.
[9, ann]: one of the 'good guys'
[14, a-b-seeds]: monsanto ! is not my friend fersure
[12, MaxStone]: the Nimbin Alternative Space Association is not as far out as it first sounds, prolly wouldn't be a bad idea to work towards, yeah, maybe all us hippys and environmental activists should stop trying to save the sinking ship and start to get ready to leave this highly mechanized and politicized Cannabis-less planet to choke to death on it's own sewerage while we go tripping through space in search of the legendary planet Cannabinoid*. After all, h[5, Dean_Becker]: And a Nobel Laureate and two great writers
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[13, allan]: olaf bouncing...
[16, Richard_Lake]: Milton is the Nobel economist. Eugene is our friend from the Canadian drug policy foundation.
[12, MaxStone]: After all, how hard can it be to build space ships, satellites and stuff like that compared to Ending Cannabis Prohibition in this mercenary world? 
[9, ann]: that old revolving door syndrome
[16, Richard_Lake]: Milton calls Dean when he wants someone to chat with now, I hear....
[0, olafur]: how is folks doing in canada trying to escape US drug laws?
[8, observer_away]: _
[14, a-b-seeds]: i don't bother with that
[5, Dean_Becker]: <g>
[0, olafur]: Allan, how's your life?
[16, Richard_Lake]: Renee is still there, no word on the effort to drag her home. Got married like Dec. 2nd. Steve and Michelle Kubby seem very happy in Canada.
[13, allan]: Olaf, I am hanging in there, should be getting an apt in a cuppla weeks in town...
[14, a-b-seeds]: in canada, my growing friends are low profile, i go in front 
[9, ann]: I hear there should be news on Renee's status in about a month
[13, allan]: but I do miss ya bro'
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. -- Genesis 1:29
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 9:55:13 PM ET ]
[0, olafur]: Richard, how do I best contact you outside of this chat room?
[4, Trippin981819254]:             :-)____[]~```
[2, Frank]: good
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: good is cool
[9, ann]: That's also about the time the baby is due
[16, Richard_Lake]: rlake@mapinc.org
[0, olafur]: OK, I will get in touch with you now when the heat has settled
[13, allan]: not having Olaf in Oregon is like... like... this huge void of consciousness, helping hold together the force...
[0, olafur]: -25 C. outside, but sitting in a warm house with friends - so good to be back home again
[13, allan]: You are well?
[5, Dean_Becker]: Olafur, best of luck to you!
[0, olafur]: Yeah, but I miss my family
[14, a-b-seeds]: 4 below zero, in so little snow
[13, allan]: Well, I'll tell Freia that I "saw" you tonite...
[0, olafur]: Dean, Thanx - somehow I want to fight the feds - but they are false and dangerous
[5, Dean_Becker]: evil and corrupt too
[13, allan]: keep yer ass safe Olaf, thats best way for now...
[0, olafur]: Allan, she's on her way over here
[13, allan]: ahah! cool!
[9, ann]: You got that right -- lies are the basis of everything they do and believe
[5, Dean_Becker]: Giant Dispensary Of Fear
[0, olafur]: Allan, give my regards to all friends in Oregon
[13, allan]: DGDoF
[12, MaxStone]: 30 degrees and sweating like a swiss prohibitionist
[13, allan]: will do Olaf...
[12, MaxStone]: 100F
[2, Frank]: Give my regards to Broadway!
[8, observer_away]: back
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: wb observer_away
>> [8] observer_away is called observer now.
[13, allan]: wb obs
[8, observer]: ty alan :-)
[8, observer]: allan ;-)
[5, Dean_Becker]: wb obs
[13, allan]: call me what you will, just make sure you call me when its 4:20
[2, Frank]: bot was dissing you while you were away, observer!
[13, allan]: yeah! bot talkin' shit...
[12, MaxStone]: so the 49ers are coming to visit next sunday frank, whatcha reckon?
[8, observer]: _
[12, MaxStone]: and whats the line/
[9, ann]: It's 40 degrees here, but that is about to change,. We have a storm moving in that should dump snow on us tomorrow
[13, allan]: It was over 60 degrees (F) in OR today...
[2, Frank]: The Pack is looking pretty good, BB! I hope today's injured can play next week.
[9, ann]: What's this I just heard on CNN about a Cesna flying into a building in Tampa?
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Looking on the net ...
[13, allan]: Ann- its true, 15 yr old kid
[0, olafur]: my regards to you all - drug liberalization is tough in sweden - but we'll see what comin'
[13, allan]: stay safe Olafur!
[4, Trippin981819254]: bot
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: yes, Trippin981819254?
[2, Frank]: Is it worse in Sweden than the US OLafur?
[9, ann]: Allan, I am not going to tell Rusty that. He just got to New England Friday from Oregon and now he's going to get snowed on... oops!
[5, Dean_Becker]: Take care Olafur
[4, Trippin981819254]: keep looking
[6, cellogirl]: _
[13, allan]: we need you that way! Best to Freia ...
[12, MaxStone]: bbbbye olafur
[0, olafur]: yeah, I gotta check out since I pay by the minute - laura got my address!
[13, allan]: 'k
[9, ann]: g'nite Olafur
[13, allan]: peace bro'
[9, ann]: The 15 y o was flying the plane?
[13, allan]: yes
[9, ann]: I just caught the end of it as I was surfing to the Weather Channel to see what the temp was
[0, olafur]: keep the good work goin' - I'll be with you more soon as things settle down -- peace and love!
[11, Pam]: 3 small plane wreaks lately, not connected and not thought to be terroristic
[12, MaxStone]: me reckon those terrorists are gunna learn how to adapt model aeroplane controls to usurp the controls of the big jets, prolly learn it from CIA
[5, Dean_Becker]: they say he stole it, flew into big bank tower, say he like osama bin laden.. more trouble for flyers now
[9, ann]: Oy vey
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>> [10] unknown is called Ben_Masel now.
[5, Dean_Becker]: left a note for the authorities
[12, MaxStone]: webgreetings ben
[5, Dean_Becker]: Hi Ben
[9, ann]: The CIA can already do that, can't they?
[2, Frank]: Hi Ben
[13, allan]: High Ben
[4, Trippin981819254]: hey ben
[12, MaxStone]: tjhink so ann
[14, a-b-seeds]: high ben
[9, ann]: Remote control - BIG time
[12, MaxStone]: think we al;ready seen them use it
[12, MaxStone]: osama patsy bin laden
[9, ann]: HEY! Benjamin!!!  Hi Darlin'
[12, MaxStone]: and the taliban have been approved for genocide
[10, Ben_Masel]: Hi all...
[12, MaxStone]: sterilization in process
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[3, DrugSenseBot001]: "Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home." - Harold E. Stassen, 1947
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 10:09:13 PM ET ]
[9, ann]: Yeah, Max -- on 9/11 (The media can say what it wants - my gut feeling remains 'Inside job' courtesy of Papa Shrub)
[12, MaxStone]: speaking of the shrub
[10, Ben_Masel]: Stassen was first Republican opponent of Vietnam War.
[12, MaxStone]: doctor david helliwell
[13, allan]: brb  nicotine )=(=====>---------  *
[12, MaxStone]: nimbins GP for 17 years
[2, Frank]: Is Stassen running in '04?
[12, MaxStone]: said that he has seen genuine evidence of frontal lobe damage in gw
[12, MaxStone]: caused by too much alchol and coke
[9, ann]: The luckiest people in the world on 9/11 were Gary Condit, Rudy Guilliani and GWB
[10, Ben_Masel]: he's run his last race.
[12, MaxStone]: his diagnosis is based on 17 years of looking at junkies
[12, MaxStone]: scary thought
[5, Dean_Becker]: always thought he looked like "curious george", for real
[9, ann]: Stassen. I was trying to remember that name the other day... thank you.
[12, MaxStone]: and D H has no reason to lie BTW, he don't like hate the shrub or realy care too much about USa
[12, MaxStone]: situation as he has hands full on streets
[4, Trippin981819254]: whoever controls fear, controls the world
[9, ann]: It's the ears, Dean... 
[12, MaxStone]: the eyes apparently
[10, Ben_Masel]: 2004    campaiign sogan 'George W Bush, He's not asumb as you thnk."
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>> User unknown comes in from 12.41.197.182 at line 1.
>> [0] unknown is called Jo-D now.
[10, Ben_Masel]: as Dumb
[12, MaxStone]: turn in to each other , rather than up to right or down to left when hard questions are asked
[2, Frank]: wb Jo-D
[0, Jo-D]: ;0
[14, a-b-seeds]: wb Jo-D
[12, MaxStone]: wb joD
[5, Dean_Becker]: I like it, it's honest enough to at least make you think about it..not
[8, observer]: _
[9, ann]: Hi Jo-D!!!  
[0, Jo-D]: ann!!! :)
[5, Dean_Becker]: Hi Jo-D, posted already?
[11, Pam]: hi Jo-D
[0, Jo-D]: i sent my part onto rich
[5, Dean_Becker]: cool.. you guys are so slick, it takes me a half day to do a NYT transcript
[12, MaxStone]: wb jo-D, was just telling the room about the Nimbin GP's diagnosis of the shrub as a victim of frontal lobe syndrome 
[12, MaxStone]: 17years of looking at junkies 
[0, Jo-D]: o, bb, plz continue :)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  Get ready! It is *almost* 4:20 in Geneva, Oslo, Algiers, Paris, Amsterdam, Prague, Rome, Barcelona, Belgrade, Berlin, Brussels, Lagos, Stockholm, Budapest, Madrid, Copenhagen, Vienna, Warsaw, Wellington, Zagreb, Frankfurt, Zürich    (it is 4:15 there now) 
[12, MaxStone]: diagnosis based on the eyes that turn in to each other , rather than up to right or down to left when hard questions are asked
[12, MaxStone]: classic sign apparently
[0, Jo-D]: ann, so kewl to see you hear :) have missed you big times
[9, ann]: We'll talk real soon, Jo
[10, Ben_Masel]: State Sen. Commttee unabinousllll passed atttti-weedstock ill....
[0, Jo-D]: what's the latest from precious todd?
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Looking on the net ...
[0, Jo-D]: belay
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Jo-D, I will belay that command.
[12, MaxStone]: a partially brain dead president in charge of the most sophisticated killing machine the human species has ever assembled
[10, Ben_Masel]: funky keyboard
[12, MaxStone]: no reason to panic
[16, Richard_Lake]: Jo-D, You just missed Olafur all the way from Sweden....
[12, MaxStone]: ronald regan wa appently worse
[0, Jo-D]: bummer..how's ol olafur doin?
[9, ann]: Todd is hangin' in there. It got old a long time ago. We're hoping by the end of the year he can move to a half-way house. 
[5, Dean_Becker]: Living in Sweden now, trying to not get extradited
[16, Richard_Lake]: I will let Allan fill you in. Trying to kick the transcript out yet tonight.
[13, allan]: he's not in a US jail! :)I
<14> a-b-seeds whispered: ronald regan said that ketchup was vegatable in school
[9, ann]: Federal Prison. Terminal Island (What a sucky name for a prison..)
[13, allan]: His daughter, Freia (15) on her way to Sweden to join him
[0, Jo-D]: thanx for the update ann...will continue to send the good thoughts south
[12, MaxStone]: did y'all know that ronald regan bribed the pope to go back to poland to support solidarity?
[13, allan]: ann- I saw TI, spent a little visit in early 80's. It does suck
[0, Jo-D]: no, didn't know that max
[12, MaxStone]: and then after pope did it, he declared cold war over
[16, Richard_Lake]: Like they think Todd has re-habilitated himself???
[5, Dean_Becker]: Yeah Ann, I thought of that when I learned that owner of the UK Dutch Experience was in "Strangeways" prison in the UK.. quite a name
[0, Jo-D]: any prison sux
[13, allan]: true Jo-D
[13, allan]: I used to fish off of breakwater, right next to TI when I was a kid
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  It's now 4:20 in Geneva, Oslo, Algiers, Paris, Amsterdam, Prague, Rome, Barcelona, Belgrade, Berlin, Brussels, Lagos, Stockholm, Budapest, Madrid, Copenhagen, Vienna, Warsaw, Wellington, Zagreb, Frankfurt, Zürich
[13, allan]: again? already?
[10, Ben_Masel]: II can only offer reviews of County lockups.
[14, a-b-seeds]: 420...even in Paris?
[12, MaxStone]: the reason why colin davies is in prison is because he following dutch model
[0, Jo-D]: ben, yah, me also...thankfully
[12, MaxStone]: he pushing policy in much the same wayhempbar does
[8, observer]: clock
[8, observer]: worldclock
[6, cellogirl]: time
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: the time is 1/6/02 10:21:16 PM ET, cellogirl
[13, allan]: when one gets released from TI, bus stop is at least a mile away...
[9, ann]: Todd????  If he would have done a drug treatment program, he might not be there, but -- you know Todd... There was no way in hell he was going to a rehab program for MJ addciition. He kept telling them, "I USE Mj medicinially, I do not ABUSE Mj. I don't NEED a 'program'."
[12, MaxStone]: sometimes i am sure y'all forget that what we doing in Nimbin is world leading
[8, observer]: worldclock is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[13, allan]: nope, don't forget about Nimbin 
[0, Jo-D]: max, never!
[12, MaxStone]: ;O)----~
[13, allan]: in fact one day we will all come to Nimbin!
[0, Jo-D]: yep
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: cannabis oil contains: 1,8-cineole (eucalyptol) .001% melting point 156 -- Anti inflamatory Bronchiodilator stimulant antibiotic antineoplastic AChE inhibitor.
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 10:23:11 PM ET ]
[0, Jo-D]: and then you'll be sorry
[12, MaxStone]: thing is the Duch cafe model is inferior to ours and anyone fool enough to follow it should be in jail
[13, allan]: indeed!
[0, Jo-D]: ;)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ;-]  beep!
[8, observer]: _
[2, Frank]: warm
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: warm is good
[12, MaxStone]: and having run a cannabis cafe demonstration model during times of changing police discretion, i feel that i am justified in my comments
[12, MaxStone]:  slash criticism
[0, Jo-D]: i don't think anyone her would dis your comments
[0, Jo-D]: we all doin the best we can to end this mess...
[12, MaxStone]: lol, me typing to the all of the wwworld rather than to anyone in here, y'all are my closest friends and cohorts in cannabis law reform
[9, ann]: And they keep doing all they can to screw it up
[10, Ben_Masel]: Dutch model created in one time and place, yours in another.
[0, Jo-D]: ((bb)) :)
[13, allan]: I wonder if DEA is listening?
[13, allan]:  Hey DEA!
[0, Jo-D]: fersure
[12, MaxStone]: my point is mostly that if we are going to get just cannabis law reform happening we should all be driving for full relegalization
[13, allan]: Bite me!
[2, Frank]: (((bot)))
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ((((Frank))))
[5, Dean_Becker]: the good thing is none of these policies will remain etched in stone, more progress/recognition of reality will just lead to total legalization in about 8 or 10 years
[14, a-b-seeds]: (((bot)))
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: (((( a-b-seeds))))
[12, MaxStone]: not attempting to bribe the governemnt with taxable regulation
[14, a-b-seeds]: lol
[9, ann]: Hey! Hey! DEA How many lives did you wreck today
[13, allan]: too many...
[8, observer]: dea
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: see http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/abuse/contents.htm
[12, MaxStone]: is like decriminalisation under prohibition.
[0, Jo-D]: hey hey dea...how many homes did you steal today?
[13, allan]: too many...
[5, Dean_Becker]: waaaaaay to many
[0, Jo-D]: yah ;(
[12, MaxStone]: works just fine for the governemnt
[5, Dean_Becker]: hey hey dea.. how many kids did you swipe today?
[10, Ben_Masel]: How many DEA Agents does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
[13, allan]: too many...
[0, Jo-D]: so, bb, what would you say to those who think the 'general public' won't take ending prohib in one fell swoop?
[9, ann]: They don't work in the light. They are creatures of darkness
[10, Ben_Masel]: A: They just squeeze, and hope it will turn.
[0, Jo-D]: to those who think like the little dog nipping at the masters heels
[12, MaxStone]: me would say have a look at all the data gethered this century
[13, allan]: ann- BIBs
[13, allan]: Butts In Black
[9, ann]: LOL
[11, Pam]: sweet dreams y'all from Texas!
[12, MaxStone]: on aaverage from around the world it shows well over 50% support
[13, allan]: nite Pam!
[0, Jo-D]: take care pam! 
[9, ann]: g'nite Pam
[0, Jo-D]: 50
[2, Frank]: nite Pam
[11, Pam]: take care
[0, Jo-D]: 50% support what..ending prohib?
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[5, Dean_Becker]: nite pam
[12, MaxStone]: evven higher if you account for the fact that polls are taken under a state of paranoia/prohibition
[7, chadman]: huh
[0, Jo-D]: hmmm
[10, Ben_Masel]: First confirmed sightings of War hash in the US. DC and Chicago.
[12, MaxStone]: most people don't think that just cannabis is worth going to jail for
[16, Richard_Lake]: Jo-D, did you see where they want to pay someone to maintain your site, $35 thousand and benefits. Think they need someone with a masters, at least....
[13, allan]: CIA imports, ready and on the way!
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H.L. Mencken
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 10:30:13 PM ET ]
[12, MaxStone]: most people are unaware of the entire situation/ data base on just cannabis
[0, Jo-D]: rich...no! i wondered what the job msgs were about....where did you see that?
[2, Frank]: How does it work, Ben?
[0, Jo-D]: sheet...i'll do it for 35k
[16, Richard_Lake]: Hang on.
[13, allan]: I bet Jo-D!
[0, Jo-D]: ooo...hmmm...talking research and such...bleh
[9, ann]: BRB
[12, MaxStone]: opposition to just cannabis law reform is like the opposition to the theory of evolution
[13, allan]: yes...
[0, Jo-D]: that's a bit under paid for that position
[12, MaxStone]: sure they exist
[12, MaxStone]: but only up in the hills 
[12, MaxStone]: or in the churches
[13, allan]: mostly in the churches...
[12, MaxStone]: or anywhere else where the indocrination is strong enough
[13, allan]: time for me to go. Nite all!
[16, Richard_Lake]: http://www.drcnet.org/wol/#santamonica
[13, allan]: peace
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: peace  allan
>> [13] allan left the chat.
[12, MaxStone]: bbbbye allan
[14, a-b-seeds]: ooopps
[10, Ben_Masel]: Don't know if this comes from our Russian allies, or our Pakistani allies. In the '80s there was a route thru Turkey to Cypress, where an Israeli ship picked up for delivery to Brooklyn.
[12, MaxStone]: I mean, me dunno much about the actual everyday USA experience, but when i was there everyone i met smoked
[12, MaxStone]: but all to afraid of the machine to do much about it
[8, observer]: _
[6, cellogirl]: _
[10, Ben_Masel]: uh Max, evolution loses elections.
[12, MaxStone]: in fact most smokers i met are happy with prohibition if they have an affordable supply
[5, Dean_Becker]: Max, I think they are just happy to smoke outside of jail
[12, MaxStone]: my point was that the only way the opponents to the theory evolution disappear is by dying out, their minds are too indocrinated to change
[12, MaxStone]: so too is it with just cannabis law reform
[10, Ben_Masel]: I think most would like to see the laws change, but do not expect the system to respond.
[12, MaxStone]: the last remnants of those who opposed the alternative hippy revolution in the sixities are dying out
[0, Jo-D]: hmm..thanx rich
[12, MaxStone]: if we can once more rush the great wall of prhibition 'en masse' it will crumble
[12, MaxStone]: but how do you motivate the youth of today 
[8, observer]: coffee
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: coffee is the answer
[14, a-b-seeds]: pot-vidoe games lol
[12, MaxStone]: apathetic bunch of nike wearing consumers
[12, MaxStone]: lol ab
[14, a-b-seeds]: no good nothing teen
[9, ann]: I have to go. Hungry people here want food... Got to put my little Chef hat on... catch y'all later. Hugs everyone..
[12, MaxStone]: peace ann
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[14, a-b-seeds]: pokeman generation, diet-thc generation
[6, cellogirl]: geez ab
[6, cellogirl]: do you have a serious thing against my generation
[14, a-b-seeds]: lol
[6, cellogirl]: that's the second time tonight
[6, cellogirl]: diet-thc *cracks up*
[12, MaxStone]:  afriend of mine from USa sent me over a bunch of official NFL apparel
[4, Trippin981819254]: youth are impressionable...give them the right message and they will support
[12, MaxStone]: a hat, watch, shirt, etc
[12, MaxStone]: only the cloth beanie was made in usa
[12, MaxStone]: in wisconsin actually
[0, Jo-D]: cello, those who have a 'thang' against the young...do not remember what it was like to be young ;)
[14, a-b-seeds]: teen : yo man, chill !
[12, MaxStone]: everything else was either chinese or 3rd world constructed
[6, cellogirl]: i'm 17, and would like to think my generation has a nice mindset as to how things should be in the future
[6, cellogirl]: :P
[6, cellogirl]: amen jo-d
[0, Jo-D]: ;)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ;-]  beep!
[12, MaxStone]: great, clue me in cg
[12, MaxStone]: me need to knowww
[6, cellogirl]: on what
[12, MaxStone]: does your generations plans for the future have dolphins and rainforests in it?
[0, Jo-D]: o   O    O~~~
[6, cellogirl]: i know they're a lot more ecologically sensitive, at least around here
[8, observer]: _
[12, MaxStone]: based on ecological survival of the planet as a whole?
[6, cellogirl]: yep
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: " . . . [N]o dictatorship . . . has ever abolished freedom of speech at a single sudden stroke: it has always been done by a series of gradual steps . . . " -- Ayn Rand
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 10:44:11 PM ET ]
[12, MaxStone]: if so then i agree that your generation has the right mindset
[6, cellogirl]: we've grown up with people always shoving recycle recycle recycle down our troats
[12, MaxStone]: that's if greed isn't involvled
[6, cellogirl]: lol, we knitted penguin sweaters 
[12, MaxStone]: that's the thing we need to remove from the matrix
[6, cellogirl]: we do coastal cleanups, and i'm not talking a small group
[6, cellogirl]: what, penguin sweaters?
[12, MaxStone]: of the mindset
[12, MaxStone]: money
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: money is power
[12, MaxStone]: no it ain't bot
[12, MaxStone]: money only has power when you enter it's realm
[14, a-b-seeds]: that generation only want a tv with both screen, one in the front to play , one in the back to watch tv. lol
[12, MaxStone]: forget money is power
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  MaxStone, I have forgotten money is power.
[10, Ben_Masel]: Chile and Greece did in free speech quite abruptly. Rand was correct in her day, but...
>> Your new name is John_Galt (Line 12).
[12, John_Galt]: ;O)---~
>> Your new name is MaxStone (Line 12).
[6, cellogirl]: uh
[12, MaxStone]: rather be a character of my owwwn devise.
[10, Ben_Masel]: quote Rand
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Crime is contagious....if the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law. -- Justice Louis Brandeis
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: The truly and deliberately evil men are a very small minority; it is the appeaser who unleashes them on mankind. -- Ayn Rand (1905-1982)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: I am against Prohibition because it has set the cause of temperence back twenty years; because it has substituted an ineffective campaign of force for an effective campaign of education; because it has replaced comparatively uninjurious light wines and
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: beers with the worst kind of hard liquor and bad liquor; because it has increased drinking not only among men but has extended drinking to women and even children. -- William Randolph Hearst, initially a supporter of Prohibition, explaining his change of
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: mind in 1929. From "Drink: A Social History of America" by Andrew Barr (1999), p. 239.
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Power is sweet; it is a drug, the desire for which increases with a habit. -- Bertrand Russell, in The Saturday Review, 1951
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: The right to be left alone - the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by a free people. -- Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. U.S. (1928)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: (16 more, but stopped near 1024 characters.)
[12, MaxStone]: did rand mention the internet, anywhere?
[8, observer]: who is John Galt?
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Looking on the net ...
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: John Galt Solutions - Demand planning and forecasting ... 
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:   http://www.forecastx.com/
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: The John Galt Press: Intellectual Amphetamine
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:   http://www.johngaltpress.org/
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: John Galt - a noisy twin band -
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:   http://www.mathrock.com/johngalt/
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: John Galt jr. For President in 2000
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:   http://members.aol.com/johng101/jonpol.htm
[12, MaxStone]: or attempt to synthsize the concept of instantaneous global communication into the gestalt of humanity?
[10, Ben_Masel]: Brunner's Shockwave Rider was first SF to envision the net as a political forum.
[8, observer]: galt's gulch
[12, MaxStone]: john galt was the first with holder
[12, MaxStone]: atlas shrugged
[12, MaxStone]: john galt and all the industrious dudes who really make the country run all with held their work, a concept that nimbin has unconsiously come to resemble
[12, MaxStone]: we have plenty of with holders here
[12, MaxStone]: dudes who could make huge $ in mainstream money world
[14, a-b-seeds]: nite nite
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: "In War, the morale is to the material as three is to one." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 10:51:13 PM ET ]
[12, MaxStone]: who have dropped out for back to basics live with the earth stuff
[5, Dean_Becker]: see ya AB
[0, Jo-D]: take care ab :)
[6, cellogirl]: bye bye av
[6, cellogirl]: ab
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ab is a-b
[12, MaxStone]: bbbbye ab
[14, a-b-seeds]: war
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  what is it good for?
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[5, Dean_Becker]: gonna go too, hope to see yall tomorrow
[12, MaxStone]: ann rand would have done real wwwell 
[12, MaxStone]: bbbbye dean
[6, cellogirl]: cya dean :)
>> [5] Dean_Becker left the chat.
>> List of users in this channel (MAIN [0])
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> [0] Jo-D, Group: 1001
>> [1] unknown, Group: 1001
>> [2] Frank, Group: 1001
>> [3] DrugSenseBot001, Group: 1001
>> [4] Trippin981819254, Group: 1001
>> [6] cellogirl, Group: 1001
>> [7] chadman, Group: 1001
>> [8] observer, Group: 1001
>> [10] Ben_Masel, Group: 1001
>> [12] MaxStone, Group: 1001
>> [15] kaptinemo, Group: 1001
>> [16] Richard_Lake, Group: 1001
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[8, observer]: _
[12, MaxStone]: just looking at the schedule
[12, MaxStone]: can't wwwait to chat with dana beal
[12, MaxStone]: in february
[6, cellogirl]: hmm.. fellas, i'm gonna jet. think my dad is kicking me of
[6, cellogirl]: BUT i'll have my phone line tomorrow ;)
[12, MaxStone]: bbbbye cg
[4, Trippin981819254]: bye cello
[6, cellogirl]: c ya alllllll later!
>> [6] cellogirl left the chat.
[12, MaxStone]: everyone multitasking?
[4, Trippin981819254]: <---gettin bombed
[12, MaxStone]: me rolling my last spliff for the chat
[10, Ben_Masel]: i'm back.
[4, Trippin981819254]: wb
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: wb is welcome back
[12, MaxStone]: ;O)-----~
[0, Jo-D]: yah, i'm still trying to kick out an app by monday morning....12 hours left to spare
[12, MaxStone]: hate that dead line thang
[0, Jo-D]: gotta sticky green bud from a bud last nite :)
[0, Jo-D]: that'll last hmm...6 or so guitar sessions :)
[12, MaxStone]: woooooohooooooooo, get ready to bbbburn some as me rolled and
[12, MaxStone]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  MaxStone is ready, anyone else?
[0, Jo-D]: packing
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Jo-D is packing now.
[12, MaxStone]: obs
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: obs is never far away...
[4, Trippin981819254]:       :-)____[]`~``
[8, observer]: back
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: wb observer
[8, observer]: i be here
[8, observer]: tk bot
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: yw human
[12, MaxStone]: so
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: so is theresa
[16, Richard_Lake]: Working on getting the transcript posted here. 
[12, MaxStone]: wwwith out further ado
[12, MaxStone]: if everyone is
[12, MaxStone]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  MaxStone is ready, anyone else?
[8, observer]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: observer is ready, anyone else?
[16, Richard_Lake]: Looking forward do the NYT forum tomorrow evening.
[4, Trippin981819254]: red e
[8, observer]: lol
[12, MaxStone]: red eyed
[8, observer]: lol
[8, observer]: countdown
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 5
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[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 4
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 3
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 2
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 1
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  [[[ ignition! at T = :01:26. ]]] 
[12, MaxStone]: ;O)-~ ooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0000000000000000 
[12, MaxStone]: ahhhhhh
[10, Ben_Masel]: Will miss NYT forum, taking in "Future of Music" conference, w all the big players in Copyright Wars.
[4, Trippin981819254]: richard...me too
[12, MaxStone]: and as the smoke wwwafts through out the BigBong cyber capsule
[12, MaxStone]: the imagery is of the death of the dutch model
[8, observer]: _
[0, Jo-D]: sounds kewl ben
[12, MaxStone]: the imagery is of the destruction of the dutch model
[12, MaxStone]: bbbbut the imagery is mostly of the positives of the swiss model
[12, MaxStone]: and full relegalization for the peoples of the earth
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: "The function of the press is very high. It is almost holy. It ought to serve as a forum for the people, through which the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or suppress the news is a breach of trust." - Mr. Justice Brandeis
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 11:05:13 PM ET ]
[4, Trippin981819254]: news
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: news is  Deadly Drug-War Chickens (12/24) http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread11626.shtml
[8, observer]: bot assimilated quote posted on maptalk the other day
[12, MaxStone]: anyway, it is time to de umbillicus the bigbong cyber sled from the mapchat applet for an indeterminate period of cyber space and time
[10, Ben_Masel]: Do not copy the Canadian model on hemp. Hands a monopoly on germ plasm to Kimberly Clark.
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Quotes *will* be assimilated.
[0, Jo-D]: DANG  GOT MY SYS WRAPPED AROUND IT"S AXIS  BBL*R
[4, Trippin981819254]: quote
[0, Jo-D]: GEEZ I DID THIS ONE UP AND GOOD
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: cannabis oil contains: _3-carene .004% anti-inflam. 168
[12, MaxStone]: and so until the next time our cyber spatial coordinates mingle
>> [0] Jo-D left the chat.
[12, MaxStone]: ummmmm
[12, MaxStone]: that's right
[12, MaxStone]: and so until the next time our cyber spatial coordinates mingle
[12, MaxStone]: stay real and remeber
[12, MaxStone]: ummmmmmm
[12, MaxStone]: wwwhat is it we have to remeber?
[12, MaxStone]: ummmmmmmmm
[12, MaxStone]: yeah, that's it
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[12, MaxStone]: that it's all systems go for FULL relegalization by april 20th 2002
>> [10] Ben_Masel left the chat.
[12, MaxStone]: max stone is now saving this chat transcript for POTential display on the wwweb
[8, observer]: :-)
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ;-]
[8, observer]: I've been praying for rain in Nimbin 
>> Your new name is BigBong (Line 12).
[8, observer]: doing a rain dance
[8, observer]: hempbar
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: the hempbar is a cool place in Nimbin! http://www.nimbinaustralia.com/hempbar
[12, BigBong]: it's working obs
[8, observer]: ???
[12, BigBong]: overcast and rainy at mo, mond you is 99% humidity and hot
[8, observer]: cool!!
[12, BigBong]: me think me going to start saving all 2002 appearances in mapchat and putting them in aclrm
[12, BigBong]: totally un edited of course
[12, BigBong]: and only in downloadable .txt form
[12, BigBong]: tho depends how easy to render into html
[12, BigBong]: anyway.
[8, observer]: _
[8, observer]: i could make a script for you
[12, BigBong]: me have reality homesteading stuff to do and my time is up
[8, observer]: chat txt to heml ... 
[8, observer]: html
[12, BigBong]: forget i was leaving 
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  BigBong, I have forgotten i was leaving.
[4, Trippin981819254]: bye bb
[8, observer]: lol
[12, BigBong]: thanx for offer obs
[8, observer]: ;;really good at convertyers like that 
[12, BigBong]: suggest we both do it!
[8, observer]: lol
[8, observer]: perl ...
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  Get ready! It is *almost* 4:20 in Anadyr, Reykjavik, Kamchatka, Lisbon, Suva, London, Casablanca, Dublin    (it is 4:15 there now) 
[12, BigBong]: the character Max Stone is a BBBBig part of this years strategy
[8, observer]: kewl :-)
[12, BigBong]: and whats more me need to amp himn up a bit
[8, observer]: ahhh
[12, BigBong]: been looking at all the data coming in on just cannabis law reform movement
[12, BigBong]: and percieve that regulationis about to occur
[8, observer]: hmmm
[8, observer]: looks that way in the UK
[12, BigBong]: is time for a hard core full relegalize platform to develop
[8, observer]: take action
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: observer, you can take action! See http://drugsense.org/active.htm
[4, Trippin981819254]: Tell it like it is BB
[12, BigBong]: and me figure to use Max Stone as metaphor to develop said platform
[12, BigBong]: is like me look around and realize that when it comes to just cannabis law reform
[12, BigBong]: well, it seems that I am right
[12, BigBong]: that max stone is saying the unsayble
[12, BigBong]: and is definitely heading in right direction
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Make the most of the Indian Hemp Seed and sow it everywhere. -- George Washington
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 1/6/02 11:19:13 PM ET ]
[12, BigBong]: the tricky part is to have the rest of the planet follow the direction of the radical fringe
[8, observer]: i hope that prohibition collapses suddenly in the UK 
[12, BigBong]: when i personally believe in chatoic utopian anarchy and the zaphod beeblebrox principle of governemnt
[4, Trippin981819254]: obs...where did bot get that quote?
[8, observer]: 2002-01-06 UK: Blunkett To Abandon Drug Targets 
[8, observer]: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n022/a09.html
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  It's now 4:20 in Anadyr, Reykjavik, Kamchatka, Lisbon, Suva, London, Casablanca, Dublin
[8, observer]: search "Make the most of the Indian Hemp Seed and sow it everywhere. -- George Washington"
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Looking on the net ...
[12, BigBong]: ie, those who most want power are exactly the kind of people we don't want in positions of power
[8, observer]: off the net ...
[8, observer]: pdxnorml
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: NEW AGE SOAP& SCENT CO. Let Nature Take Its Course
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:   http://www.newagesoap.com/HempSeedOil.html
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: www.jwp.bc.ca/saulm/nn/_0619.txt
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:   http://www.jwp.bc.ca/saulm/nn/_0619.txt
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Untitled
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:   http://www.pacificsites.com/~mec/NEWSL/ISS18/Hemp.html
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: ecological rant
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:   http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/9000/rantecology.htm
[8, observer]: bleh
[8, observer]: here : http://www.pdxnorml.org/quotes.html 
[4, Trippin981819254]: thanx obs
[8, observer]: yw
[8, observer]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: observer is ready, anyone else?
[12, BigBong]: anywwway, having attempted to humbly state my part in the upcoming webolution
[4, Trippin981819254]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: Trippin981819254 is ready, anyone else?
[12, BigBong]: ready
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  BigBong is ready, anyone else?
[12, BigBong]: with the jouint i was walking home with
[8, observer]: countdown
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 5
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 4
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 3
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 2
[3, DrugSenseBot001]: 1
[3, DrugSenseBot001]:  [[[ ignition! at T = :22:31. ]]] 
[4, Trippin981819254]: yeah
[12, BigBong]: ;O)--~ ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo00000000000
[8, observer]: _
[8, observer]: lol
[12, BigBong]: actually, it reallly is time i was walking, reality demands it, time to lay the string lines for our foundations
[8, observer]: happy foundation laying BB!!
[12, BigBong]: gotta get the house ready for visitors!
[8, observer]: take care :-) 
[12, BigBong]: till next peace
>> Goodbye, cu !

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