map - Monday, May 13, 2002, 11:13 AM ------------------------------------ MELANGE> MELANGE> autologin: /nick BigBong 0 0 MELANGE> +OK [user] >> Melange Chat Server (V.2.02 B2,Drugsense Build), April 2002 Welcome ! (Type /HELP for a list of commands) >> List of users in this channel (MAIN [0]) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [0] cellogirl, group: 0 [channel owner] [group admin] >> [1] observer, group: 0 >> [2] Will, group: 0 >> [3] derek, group: 0 >> [4] Trippin, group: 0 >> [5] Richard_Lake, group: 0 >> [6] Paul, group: 0 >> [7] FatFreddy, group: 0 >> [8] Ben_Masel, group: 0 >> [9] Michael, group: 0 >> [10] Hobe, group: 0 >> [11] Pam, group: 0 >> [12] Don_E, group: 0 >> [13] BigBong, group: 0 >> [14] Frank, group: 0 >> [15] psy, group: 0 >> [16] geo, group: 0 >> [17] Surfer, group: 0 >> [18] AMites, group: 0 >> [19] sonnyboy, group: 0 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [9, Michael]: Ben's ability to understand how the system works made it possible for him to take on the whole federal system with his local act!! [4, Trippin]: (cheerin for Ben) [7, FatFreddy]: Scott Bledslow is diong a great job. He is a real Warrior in Fla. >> [6] Paul left the chat. <1> observer whispered: thank God!! We were getting worried about you!! [13, BigBong]: webgreetings all [13, BigBong]: ;O)--~~ <1> observer whispered: is everything ok? <4> Trippin whispered: High BB! [7, FatFreddy]: High BB [9, Michael]: You have got to see how DEA agaents scurry away from a video camera!!! [16, geo]: HI bigBong [2, Will]: I barely got any response out of any of the lawyers listed for Michigan in the NORML Legal Committee directory, and I was dealing with a clear violation of civil rights against a local public library board that was balking at the idea of NORML chapter meetings in their conference room. [4, Trippin]: lol Mich [9, Michael]: I hate to hear that Will!! [18, AMites]: yeah Mike, theyre like cochroaches when the cameras come out >> [17] Surfer left the chat. [9, Michael]: The NORML legal committee has to pay for the listing, if NORML paid them things would be alot different!! [9, Michael]: And back to AMR!! [12, Don_E]: Yes Ben, if you are going to replicate this in various cities, its important to have a video crew at each location. >> [11] Pam left the chat. [9, Michael]: Just kidding... [12, Don_E]: Oh good, lets trash AMR now. [8, Ben_Masel]: Will, most NORML Attys specialize in Criminal Defence. Find 1st Amendment specialists at http://fala.org , the First Amendment lawyers Assn. [1, observer]: Michael, we hear the propaganda slogan, "No medicine is smoked!" parroted ceaselessly. But isn't it true that cannabis cigarettes were prescribed as smoked medicine for some conditions? [9, Michael]: A video crew should consist of: Two camera persons one over Ben's shoulder and one 50 feet or so back that is the FLACANN way!! [2, Will]: needless to say, I just quoted the Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Louisiana at one of the library's board meetings, and they backed right down [7, FatFreddy]: I wonder how many people on here are from the DEA? HaHaHaHa. >> User 0001 comes in from adsl-63-207-14-211.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net at line 6. >> [6] 0001 is called foozle now. [9, Michael]: Scott and Kevin have taught me what I know about on the scene video activism.. [12, Don_E]: I would really like to hear the details of the strike that the local paid petitioners are pulling against AMR. They are actually picketing outside their office. Great publicity, huh? >> User guest comes in from 169.139.169.132 at line 11. [11, guest]: [1, observer]: [6, foozle]: wow lotsa ppl in here [5, Richard_Lake]: Think it would be good to create an easy to pocket flyer (4 to a page, front and back, similar to how this one can be printed out http://www.mapinc.org/map4up.pdf ) to pass out at the AMTRACK stations. At the Hash Bash I found out that that size flyer folks will pocket where they often throw full sheets away. [6, foozle]: whats up all [19, sonnyboy]: _ [9, Michael]: Yes, That is true.. Cannabis was available in both cigerette form and in whole flower and top form, >> List of users in this channel (MAIN [0]) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [0] cellogirl, group: 0 [channel owner] [group admin] >> [1] observer, group: 0 >> [2] Will, group: 0 >> [3] derek, group: 0 >> [4] Trippin, group: 0 >> [5] Richard_Lake, group: 0 >> [6] foozle, group: 0 >> [7] FatFreddy, group: 0 >> [8] Ben_Masel, group: 0 >> [9] Michael, group: 0 >> [10] Hobe, group: 0 >> [11] guest, group: 0 >> [12] Don_E, group: 0 >> [13] BigBong, group: 0 >> [14] Frank, group: 0 >> [15] psy, group: 0 >> [16] geo, group: 0 >> [18] AMites, group: 0 >> [19] sonnyboy, group: 0 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [4, Trippin]: yeah don [2, Will]: I had a camcorder handy when I was at Renee Emory-Wolfe's house and the cops came knocking on the door... They weren't too pleased about that... [9, Michael]: Cannabis cigerettes were ironically enough used for ASTHMA! [5, Richard_Lake]: We are having a guest chat with Michael Krawitz. Mike is the founder of The Cannabis Museum, http://www.cannabismuseum.org - Listmaster/Moderator and Chair, Marijuana Legalization Committee, Virginians Against Drug Violence, http://www.drugsense.org/DPFVA - Advisor to Patient's Out of Time, http://www.medicalcannabis.com and a Regional Leader for the The November Coalition http://www.november.org [8, Ben_Masel]: Richard, for 4th Amendment I prefer business cards. longer halflife. [11, guest]: not just used, were the most commonly prescribed medicine for Asthama wasnt it? [11, guest]: [9, Michael]: The cops HATE the light of day when they are enforcing out of control drug laws, Video is the light of day.. [11, guest]: [12, Don_E]: My current problem is that all the forces of power in Ohio are lining up against the initiative. The chief of the Supreme Court even authorized all judges to speak against the issue, something that otherwise would be considered against the ethical standards. So now every judge in the state will trash the idea. [6, foozle]: what is all this ? [11, guest]: >> [11] guest is called Alvin now. [11, Alvin]: [9, Michael]: For Asthma they used Cannabis and Belladonna.. [7, FatFreddy]: High Alvin [4, Trippin]: don why dont you sue the judge [1, observer]: _ [9, Michael]: I am following a lead from Sandee Burbank [mama.org] that Cannabis cig's were also used for menstrual cramps.. [11, Alvin]: found a client besides that javga window [11, Alvin]: [6, foozle]: how do you whisper? [8, Ben_Masel]: Don: Haul the Chief Justice into Fed Court in an injunction action????? [4, Trippin]: get publicity expose his guilty morals [11, Alvin]: [12, Don_E]: start the message with: /msg and then the number of the person you wish to wisper to and then your message. [9, Michael]: I think it is important to note however that MOST Cannabis preparations were not to be smoked.. >> [3] derek left the chat. >> User 0001 comes in from 208.198.103.51 at line 3. >> [3] 0001 is called Surfer now. [4, Trippin]: ingested Mich? [5, Richard_Lake]: I fully support the initiatives in Ohio and Michigan! http://www.drugreform.org >> List of users in this channel (MAIN [0]) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [0] cellogirl, group: 0 [channel owner] [group admin] >> [1] observer, group: 0 >> [2] Will, group: 0 >> [3] Surfer, group: 0 >> [4] Trippin, group: 0 >> [5] Richard_Lake, group: 0 >> [6] foozle, group: 0 >> [7] FatFreddy, group: 0 >> [8] Ben_Masel, group: 0 >> [9] Michael, group: 0 >> [10] Hobe, group: 0 >> [11] Alvin, group: 0 >> [12] Don_E, group: 0 >> [13] BigBong, group: 0 >> [14] Frank, group: 0 >> [15] psy, group: 0 >> [16] geo, group: 0 >> [18] AMites, group: 0 >> [19] sonnyboy, group: 0 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [9, Michael]: Alvin, Are you going to be at the Sembler protests? >> User guest comes in from seg2d-202-186.ezl.com at line 17. [8, Ben_Masel]: Or let the Judges "speak out," and then file motions to recuse against them. [11, Alvin]: OF COURSE!!! [11, Alvin]: [11, Alvin]: OF COURSE!!! [11, Alvin]: >> [17] guest is called derek now. [12, Don_E]: Then we had Asa come to town on Friday and his whole speech was against the initiative. They are pulling out all the stops to defeat this one. [16, geo]: Roll of cannabinoids in Pain management Ethan Russo.2002. The Artha veda mentions preparations for vicseral pains. [9, Michael]: I will be doing another display, if possible.. >> User kaptinemo comes in from pool-63.49.116.214.bltm.grid.net at line 20. [3, Surfer]: Found the NORML attorney lists. Thanks. For now I'll stick with the guy I've got. Good future refernce however ! [4, Trippin]: if they want to get involved them put their name on the suit too >> User 0001 comes in from adsl-66-137-116-90.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net at line 21. >> [21] 0001 is called Dean now. [11, Alvin]: your coming down to help us protest Sembler? be great to see ya again [11, Alvin]: [10, Hobe]: :-) [9, Michael]: My last Cannabis Museum display in Fla was INSIDE the capitol rotunda just infront of Jeb's door.. [14, Frank]: cool, Michael! [17, derek]: ;-) [5, Richard_Lake]: And if we do not win, the prohibitionists will say that folks do not support drug law reform. We must win!! >> User 0001 comes in from 216.58.71.225 at line 22. >> [22] 0001 is called lorddeathcon now. [2, Will]: speaking of protests, anyone hear how the Teter protest went out in Spokane last week? [11, Alvin]: 5 displays about cannabis in the state capitol, that was a day to remember [11, Alvin]: [12, Don_E]: I support it too Richard. But I can't support the management of the initiative that trashes the local activists, creates an initiative without regard to existing Ohio law, runs a stealth campaign that fails to buttonhole and line up local support and stands a great chance of losing. [9, Michael]: For those who don't know the Semblers you know their work,, PDFA,,, FDFAF, Straight, etc.. [3, Surfer]: Anyone know where a Do's and Don't list exists for Illegal Searches ? ? ? ? ? [22, lorddeathcon]: hi [11, Alvin]: the phrase "Just Say KNow" [11, Alvin]: [11, Alvin]: err "just Say No" [9, Michael]: Don_E Is that the AMR discussion I was looking for?? [11, Alvin]: [9, Michael]: What do you mean Surfer? [12, Don_E]: I hope so. At least its whats on my mind. [11, Alvin]: Surfer: its not a complete list (working on that one) but theres a decent list at http://www.flcan.org [11, Alvin]: [5, Richard_Lake]: Hmmm. Don_E, they had a very good meeting with Michigan activists and have maintained contact. More than I have seen them do in the past. [9, Michael]: AMR has run afoul of local activists because of their cavalier style.. [3, Surfer]: How do you handle an illegal search situation ? Anyone have a Do's & Dont's list ? >> [22] lorddeathcon left the chat. [13, BigBong]: where is the bot? >> [6] foozle left the chat. [14, Frank]: in the botroom [20, kaptinemo]: ACLU POCKET CARD ON POLICE ENCOUNTERS [20, kaptinemo]: http://www.aclu.org/library/bustcard.html <1> observer whispered: bot not here till after guest chat over :-) [2, Will]: www.norml.org has a 4th amendment pamphlet that reads like a comic strip... pretty educational as well as entertaining [9, Michael]: Richard is correct, things will be slightly different now so plan ahead [I sound like a horoscope,, yikes] [13, BigBong]: guest chat? <1> observer whispered: right now: Michael Krawitz, founder of the Cannabis Museum as our special guest on the chat tonight [11, Alvin]: Surfer the main thing is to remember as many names as you can and say nothing [11, Alvin]: [19, sonnyboy]: yip [16, geo]: Michael. i need to ask you if you recieved a certain object in Portland from me? [3, Surfer]: Micheal, What should you do if you find yoursels in a situaiton where the cops want to barge in on you and serach you without a warrant. What should you do and not do ? [13, BigBong]: sorry, din't know there was a special guest <1> observer whispered: no problem!! [13, BigBong]: http://www.cultural-baggage.com/schedule.htm <4> Trippin whispered: High my friend i been trying to get visuals from nimbin but havent been able to. is everything cool? [3, Surfer]: Thanks Alvin ! [7, FatFreddy]: Join BB It is great. [9, Michael]: The ACLU card is the perfect choice,, thanks!! I think also the Libertarians and NORML have cards on their sites or you can ask for them. [5, Richard_Lake]: Well, AMR is really more of a firm running initiatives than anything. Their contacts with activists has varied from state to state. [12, Don_E]: I liken it to the scorched earth policy of the Vietnam era. They wipe out the local activists so they can run a clean campaign. But in this case they are really going to need local support. They sure have done a poor job finding their friends here. <1> observer whispered: not listed there now [0, cellogirl]: * [9, Michael]: First of all you DON'T FIGHT WITH COPS.. <1> observer whispered: missed you here past few days ... hb cam offline too ... worried us [16, geo]: just say no [16, geo]: ! >> [10] Hobe left the chat. [9, Michael]: Second you tell them they are violating your rights, It will be meaningful later in court.. [3, Surfer]: kaptinemo where do you get one of these cards ? >> User Marc comes in from HSE-Toronto-ppp3489481.sympatico.ca at line 6. >> User 0001 comes in from 216.58.71.225 at line 10. >> [10] 0001 is called lorddeathcon now. [2, Will]: politics for hire huh Richard? [5, Richard_Lake]: They were very clear that they were reaching out to Ohio activists at the NORML conf. I think I will message them about how they are going about it, Don_E. [12, Don_E]: Just keep your mouth shut except to say no and to ask for an attorney. [8, Ben_Masel]: Decline permission loud enough to attract the attention of neighbors. [6, Marc]: Hi Friends! [21, Dean]: without a warrant they cannot come in unless in pursuit of fleeing criminals or they see something obvious [9, Michael]: You ask them toi leave and ABOVE ALL don't invite them in!! This inculdes,, [2, Will]: :)-~~ [10, lorddeathcon]: cool [10, lorddeathcon]: marc p [9, Michael]: Don't have mj stuff that can be seen from the road,door whatever and keep your door secured while you are partying.. [7, FatFreddy]: Don't tell them a thing/\. [13, BigBong]: in an effort to stem the tide of wwwhispers, hempbar and bigbong mobile webcams are both safe and unarrested, we are on 'unofficial and unannounced' R & R, reformatting and reconfiguring that is [13, BigBong]: mardi grass huge success [4, Trippin]: cool [13, BigBong]: normal activism will be resumed by weeeks end [7, FatFreddy]: Great BB [13, BigBong]: BIGGER and better [9, Michael]: I have to say that the greatest number of house invasions that I knoe of have resulted from a tip from an informer so, [10, lorddeathcon]: hi fat F HAVE you herd from marc p ? [7, FatFreddy]: Yes I have. [16, geo]: Sorry I missed it again BB [20, kaptinemo]: but many cops just love that 'knock and talk' bit...while a tape recorder whirrrs in their pockets [5, Richard_Lake]: I have no problem with that, Will. They get the job done. We would be about nowhere in many areas without them, from Medical Marijuana to Asset Forfeiture. I don't have to agree without AMR does it, as long as they keep winning. [10, lorddeathcon]: is he comming back? [9, Michael]: Be careful who you tell your mj story.. Use the military doctrine of "verify a need to know before sharing inforamtion" [5, Richard_Lake]: without = with how [10, lorddeathcon]: do u no >> [3] Surfer left the chat. [4, Trippin]: a scared mind doesnt think clear .. [6, Marc]: back [9, Michael]: Knock and Talk's have gotten the police some real headaches too. [13, BigBong]: anyway, me back to respectfully following the guest chat thread [11, Alvin]: they also get the police alot of busts, from people that panic and dont know their rights [11, Alvin]: [16, geo]: That is a way to split us Michael, send in the snitches, never know who they are. soon distrust everyone. [10, lorddeathcon]: hi >> [20] kaptinemo is called kaptinemo_afk now. [9, Michael]: When a cop knocks at your door don't open the door unless they have a warrent period.. [7, FatFreddy]: High Marc. [2, Will]: I use audio tape against the cops myself... I keep a microcassette recorder in my glovebox... when I get pulled over, I go for my insurance and registration, and while I'm at it, I hit the record button. [10, lorddeathcon]: good night? [16, geo]: they also follow the line when busting your friends. Soo many taken because friend with habits not so nice did not want to go [20, kaptinemo_afk]: @ [14, Frank]: * [21, Dean]: I once kept a cop outside the front door, (drying med smell), by telling him I was afraid of his weapon (viet nam syndrome;) [9, Michael]: Geo, I undertsand your reaction but establishing need to know doesn't stop community, ex: I feel you all need to know what I am telling you.. [6, Marc]: High FF [6, Marc]: sorry I was late [10, lorddeathcon]: cool good luck >> User 0001 comes in from ts1-129.f1531.quebectel.com at line 3. >> [3] 0001 is called Paul now. [6, Marc]: ty [5, Richard_Lake]: To our friends who just arrived. We are having a special guest chat with Michael Krawitz. A transcript of the chat is being recorded and will be redistributed far and wide. [6, Marc]: Hi Paul [10, lorddeathcon]: cool [13, BigBong]: I'm in australia Micheal, we have nicer cops [5, Richard_Lake]: Mike is the founder of The Cannabis Museum, http://www.cannabismuseum.org - Listmaster/Moderator and Chair, Marijuana Legalization Committee, Virginians Against Drug Violence, http://www.drugsense.org/DPFVA - Advisor to Patient's Out of Time, http://www.medicalcannabis.com and a Regional Leader for the The November Coalition http://www.november.org [3, Paul]: hi Marc [16, geo]: Michael, I was protesting only the actions of the police stateing a fact now well known, Not what you are saying. [9, Michael]: I spoke with a patient in NYC who had several officers outside his door in a secure [gated] building they eventually gave up but they trheatened!! [3, Paul]: you ready for court tomorrow [6, Marc]: yes [8, Ben_Masel]: I've won all arguments w traffic cops over Right to record them during stops. When acting in "official capacity," the have no "reasonable expectation of Privacy." [6, Marc]: big day [14, Frank]: good point Ben [13, BigBong]: For more information prior to the opening of the museum please contact: info@cannabismuseum.org [13, BigBong]: Page last updated 26 February 2002 [3, Paul]: yes then comes june 21 [11, Alvin]: I though it was as long as you dont made the recording secrt its legal Ben? [11, Alvin]: [9, Michael]: I had the pleasure of visiting the Northern Territory in the early 80s Very nice!! [2, Will]: that's right Ben... that's how I was able to get away with video taping the cops the last time they busted Renee Wolfe. [1, observer]: _ [6, Marc]: We should win if we get a compassionate judge [13, BigBong]: http://cannabismuseum.org [7, FatFreddy]: Well the POs were glad to see me move from west to east. They refused to piss test me for 10 months. [9, Michael]: By the way the museum site is down until at least Monday because of server problems.. >> [15] psy left the chat. >> User 0001 comes in from 208.198.103.51 at line 15. [3, Paul]: no shouldn't even take too much of that this time >> [15] 0001 is called Surfer now. [13, BigBong]: http://cannabismuseum.org is first web page me seen for a wwwhile >> [10] lorddeathcon left the chat. [17, derek]: ' [9, Michael]: I think with police you have to remember a couple of things, They are doing a job and they aren't your friend.. >> User Amanda comes in from sstxhera-113.1starnet.com at line 10. [10, Amanda]: user Amanda [4, Trippin]: Mich do you have a video tour of your musuem? [7, FatFreddy]: High Amanda. [13, BigBong]: web page singular that is [9, Michael]: Police may seem reasonable but they are ONLY their to capture evidence [or you] [8, Ben_Masel]: Alvin, State laws vary on "1 party" taping, in general. But even in States where it's generally not allowed, Public Officials should be an exception. [11, Alvin]: good to know, thanks [11, Alvin]: [9, Michael]: If you say something to an officer just like the media you are4 likely to hear your words again with a different [quite unexoected] spin.. [19, sonnyboy]: _ [7, FatFreddy]: :(---~ [7, FatFreddy]: FF---~ [17, derek]: Mike,Are you still involved with the November coalition? [16, geo]: all the while being told that joint will get you life. [9, Michael]: Yes, I am one of three regional leaders in the area and we do vigils periodically surrounding key events and legislation.. >> User 0001 comes in from 216.58.71.225 at line 22. >> [22] 0001 is called lorddeathcon now. [15, Surfer]: Micheal, In the future I say nothing except I want to talk to my attorney, and agree to nothing until I speak with him ! [11, Alvin]: and that you want your phone call [11, Alvin]: [7, FatFreddy]: Great rule surfer. [9, Michael]: A great example of how your words can be used against you by police: A guy wrecks his car alone in a vacant lot screwing around,, [9, Michael]: The guy tells the police " I am sorry" Well it turns out that in Virginia an accident only happenned if there was a witness so,, [15, Surfer]: I keep my attorneys business cards with me now. Just hand them the card and have them contact him for info ! [7, FatFreddy]: The cops would say that they chassed him into it. [9, Michael]: The guy winds up getting charged based on his own witness testimony!! [13, BigBong]: saying you are sorry is the same as saying I was guilty [4, Trippin]: (scratchin head) [9, Michael]: Having atty cards is a GREAT idea.. Also you can premptively contact Bail Bondsman etc.. [0, cellogirl]: * [2, Will]: no it isn't BigBong... you can be sorry for something you didn't do... I'm sorry people get busted for pot, but it's not my fault. [11, Alvin]: its also a good idea to have an arrest plan, as in someone you can call that knows what to do and who to contact [11, Alvin]: [7, FatFreddy]: I was always to broke to get bonded out. [20, kaptinemo_afk]: @ [13, BigBong]: it is according to the libel laws [13, BigBong]: and native title claims [9, Michael]: I first found The November Coalition while on my quest for Cannabis info.. I first met up with them at the first WHEE> [2, Will]: sorrow doesn not equal guilt [11, Alvin]: thats when you ask for release on own recognisence Freddy [11, Alvin]: [13, BigBong]: tell that to the judge LOL >> [15] Surfer left the chat. [6, Marc]: Health Canada's Judicial Review tomorrow morning at 9:30 am at the Supreme Court building in Ottawa. Everyone is welcomed. [11, Alvin]: wish I could be there, but Im in Fla kinda long drive [11, Alvin]: [9, Michael]: Just the fact that the guy acknowleged the wreck is all the police needed for their report and to charge him.. [6, Marc]: :-) [11, Alvin]: though Im wondering if theyll blame the DEA again [11, Alvin]: [3, Paul]: I'll have to be there in spirit only Marc [6, Marc]: ty Paul >> User 0001 comes in from 208.198.103.51 at line 15. [19, sonnyboy]: go get em Marc [9, Michael]: Paul, What did you think of the IDEA's conf coming to town?? [14, Frank]: * [22, lorddeathcon]: lol [2, Will]: you'll be fine Marc... you're in Canada, not the US MELANGE> MELANGE> autologin: /nick BigBong 0 0 MELANGE> +OK [user] >> Melange Chat Server (V.2.02 B2,Drugsense Build), April 2002 Welcome ! (Type /HELP for a list of commands) >> [6] Alvin left the chat. [13, Marc]: High BB [7, Dean]: BB, where's my kangaroo? [3, observer]: high BB :-) [0, BigBong]: webgreetings all >> List of users in this channel (MAIN [0]) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [0] BigBong, group: 0 >> [1] Will, group: 0 >> [2] geo, group: 0 >> [3] observer, group: 0 >> [4] Amanda, group: 0 >> [7] Dean, group: 0 >> [8] Ben-Masel, group: 0 >> [12] Trippin, group: 0 >> [13] Marc, group: 0 >> [14] Richard, group: 0 >> [15] DrugSenseBot001, group: 0 >> [16] Frank, group: 0 >> [17] sonnyboy, group: 0 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [3, observer]: _ [17, sonnyboy]: wb BB [2, geo]: I am hauling 2 lbs I have had in truck since Iowa 2 weeks ago. Been to Portland and back . Seems everyone knows i am comeing lol [13, Marc]: How is our Australian friend tonight? [2, geo]: WB BB [8, Ben-Masel]: Where are you now, geo? [3, observer]: sonny ... can you imagine how many people she (Warwick) could pull together behind decrim? [2, geo]: How is our venture in cat cooking doing BB? anyone read it yet..LOL [12, Trippin]: i got a snail mail letter from the phillipines from jehovahs W in repsonse to a LTE i wrote whats the best way to handle those folks any suggestions? [16, Frank]: Kick 'em in the nuts, Trip! [13, Marc]: not open the door...lol [0, BigBong]: read the book, but am deluged with stuff at the moment [7, Dean]: ask them what would Jesus do? [12, Trippin]: lol i no marc lol [13, Marc]: My mom used to take the broom! [13, Marc]: lol [16, Frank]: Maybe we should do a pre-emptive Fionne Warwick Focus Alert! [3, observer]: yea! WWJD ? [0, BigBong]: and the first/next thing is someone needs to register www.feral-cat-cook-book.com [8, Ben-Masel]: No fan of their theology, but respect the Jehovas for their 1st Amendment battles. [12, Trippin]: they sent a intro page and then added four pages of copied info from their propaganda [2, geo]: hahah can we ? Cool BB I will try or go ahead . [2, geo]: just a minute brb gotta go move bedroom into garage ..lol [12, Trippin]: lol [0, BigBong]: check this out geo [0, BigBong]: http://www.bigbongburgerbar.com/mobile/images/final.jpg [7, Dean]: again Trip, ask them would Jesus be for jailing 18 year olds for possession, we got to reach them or call them hypocrites and use the broom [3, observer]: Asshcroft/Hutchinson sing in unison: "He'd lock up lock up the drugies, toss the key .. .cause he'd see how it was destroying the children! And dud he not say that if you harm one of these, [3, observer]: then it should be as if a stone were around his neck and he were tossed into the sea! And since marijuana is a horrible terribl;e menace, and legalizing drugs would send a terrible horrible awful message toty Our children, Jesus would turn into a jailer and lock them all up! By illing druggies, we're doing God service!" [12, Trippin]: ok dean i got your drift their killing folks for dope over there [1, Will]: I let the jehovahs witness ppl in my house and proceeded to smoke a joint in front of them... if they're true to their faith, they won't snitch on you, because they believe the only valid government is Jehovah's kingdom. [3, observer]: lol [13, Marc]: I will try to get some sleep if I can. Good night friends! :-) C-ya tomorrow night. Bye [3, observer]: good night Maarc [13, Marc]: ty ob [7, Dean]: Hang tough Marc! [13, Marc]: ;-) [3, observer]: good luck!! [13, Marc]: I will [12, Trippin]: io [17, sonnyboy]: good luck tomorrow Marc [12, Trippin]: good luck marc [13, Marc]: ty [15, DrugSenseBot001]: ty is thank you [13, Marc]: ty sonny >> [13] Marc left the chat. [16, Frank]: ;) [15, DrugSenseBot001]: ;-] beep! [0, BigBong]: wwworking [17, sonnyboy]: loading [16, Frank]: joe [15, DrugSenseBot001]: joe is partaking in cannabis as a sacrament, would anyone care to join? [17, sonnyboy]: bong loaded [17, sonnyboy]: ready [15, DrugSenseBot001]: sonnyboy is ready, anyone else? [3, observer]: lol [3, observer]: ready [15, DrugSenseBot001]: observer is ready, anyone else? [7, Dean]: ready [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Dean is ready, anyone else? [1, Will]: after I lit up the joint and established the fact that they shouldn't tell the cops, because the cops work for Babylon, I asked them to sign a petition to decriminalize marijuana... When they told me they weren't registered to vote, I damn near tossed them out my front door... I went into a tirade... I said, "Good men fought and died for your freedom to practice the religion of your choice, and you don't believe in voting?!" [0, BigBong]: ready [15, DrugSenseBot001]: BigBong is ready, anyone else? [12, Trippin]: ready [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Trippin is ready, anyone else? [3, observer]: countdown [15, DrugSenseBot001]: 5 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: 4 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: 3 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: 2 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: 1 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: [[[ ignition! at T = :49:27. ]]] [15, DrugSenseBot001]: 2 is better than one. [7, Dean]: fire in the hole [12, Trippin]: lol will [3, observer]: 2 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: 2 is better than one. [3, observer]: forget 2 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: observer, I have forgotten 2. [4, Amanda]: Great, Will! [15, DrugSenseBot001]: "The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor" - Anatole France [15, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 5/12/02 10:50:14 PM ET ] [4, Amanda]: Trippin...did they say anything about your letter or just send you their literature. [1, Will]: you know, in a real countdown, they skip the number five, because it can sound too much like "fire" if there's static on the airwaves. [12, Trippin]: amanda they were very specific that they had read it in the paper and they dont have a computer [4, Amanda]: Did they disagree with you? >> User 0001 comes in from sdn-ap-024dcwashP0802.dialsprint.net at line 6. >> [6] 0001 is called Michael now. [4, Amanda]: hey, Michael [1, Will]: yeah they disagreed with me, because they believe earthly government and politics is pure evil. [7, Dean]: Hey Welcome Back Michael [6, Michael]: Thanks@! [17, sonnyboy]: wb Michael [4, Amanda]: well..that's probably true...but how did that disagree with you? [3, observer]: hi Michael! [7, Dean]: Will, I'd say prohibition is about the biggest evil on the planet these days [3, observer]: Great job! :-) [12, Trippin]: yeah it is mostly anti messages from the bible and stuff like that i dont think they have had any pro bible lititure to argue about but i'm about to change that i'm going to answer this one by writting another LTE and address the issue [1, Will]: They said they wouldn't vote, or participate in the evil political process in any form [6, Michael]: I had just typed a comment about how the DEA has quietly invaded Canada and my screen went blank....hmmm... [1, Will]: :)-~~ [3, observer]: :-( [3, observer]: _ [1, Will]: welcome back Michael [0, BigBong]: first time happenstance [3, observer]: crappy software to blame Michael [4, Amanda]: strange..Michael [1, Will]: the server crashed [0, BigBong]: second time coincidence [12, Trippin]: rite Bb [0, BigBong]: 3rd time overt enemy action [3, observer]: send it to Richard rlake@mapinc.org as you closing statement there if you want ... i bet he will include it for you [6, Michael]: oh well... so much for another good conspiricy theory.. [smile] [17, sonnyboy]: There is nothing quiet about their involvement or actions so far ,,,(DEA) [7, Dean]: Michael, if we can't stop the DEA invading other countries like that, we (the world ) is in deep shi [3, observer]: lol [1, Will]: hell, they can't even leave the reservations alone [0, BigBong]: some times I think it a shame that Americans have no bushido like hari kari components to the constitution [16, Frank]: wb Mike [6, Michael]: While speaking of the DEA../ I was the first non-press person to visit THIER museum.. [0, BigBong]: the simple solution to most of the world problems is synchronized sucide by a percentage of US citizens [1, Will]: yeah, I'd like to see american politicians even attempt to live up to anything resembling a code of honor [0, BigBong]: your governemnt [0, BigBong]: oil industry [0, BigBong]: pthe list goes on [6, Michael]: Big Bong might have something there.. [bigger smile] [0, BigBong]: ;O)--~~ [17, sonnyboy]: I saw their museum on the Tube once,, "dead agent shrines" [1, Will]: wrong BigBong... simple solution is synchronized suicide by a large percentage of US politicians. >> User Ivy comes in from ts004d06.sea-wa.concentric.net at line 9. [6, Michael]: And living agent shrines!! [4, Amanda]: grrr....wonder how much that museum costs us? [9, Ivy]: Wow, full house [6, Michael]: The DEA museum has original issue tommy guns and granades.. [0, BigBong]: a bigger arsenal than the texas rangers museum in waco? [16, Frank]: High Ivy [6, Michael]: They also have a BIG Kif jar with a card that reads "probably used by a pharmacy because of it's size" !! [3, observer]: hi ivy [1, Will]: from the old FBN I assume Michael [9, Ivy]: Hey people [2, geo]: back [15, DrugSenseBot001]: wb geo [2, geo]: Hi Ivy >> User 0001 comes in from aip60-171.algonquincollege.com at line 10. [2, geo]: WB michael >> [10] 0001 is called MEME now. [17, sonnyboy]: High Ivy [14, Richard]: Hi, Ivy [6, Michael]: The guns were FBN but the Kif [Cannabis powder extract] Jar was from a pharmacy.. [3, observer]: high Meme [3, observer]: define meme [15, DrugSenseBot001]: meme ... [0, BigBong]: guns guns guns, when will the USa stop playing with guns? [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Main Entry: meme [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Pronunciation: 'mEm [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Function: noun [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Etymology: alteration of mimeme, from mim- (as in mimesis) + -eme [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Date: 1976 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture [15, DrugSenseBot001]: (see: meme, plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose, quand meme, tout de meme) [1, Will]: I know what kif is... smoked some with Chad on 4/20 [6, Michael]: What may be most interesting to you guys may be my international work.. I testified at the UN.. [0, BigBong]: shortly after it runs out of ammo would be my guess [0, BigBong]: which will happen after it runs out of oil [0, BigBong]: let me rephrase that >> [2] geo left the chat. [0, BigBong]: after the rest of the world runs out of oil [6, Michael]: Now I know where Chad was on 4/20 I was wondering... [bigger smile yet if that was possible..] [16, Frank]: I like how you made it to the AMA Convention, too, Mike! [1, Will]: hey BigBong... God, Guns and Guts got us out from under King George's thumb... they'll get us out from under President George's thumb too if need be. [0, BigBong]: fear no man err what his size, just call on me and i'll equalize [6, Michael]: I was the ONLY patient to speak to the AMA subcommittee considering medmj.. [0, BigBong]: guns, like swords, belong inhistory >> [9] Ivy left the chat. [0, BigBong]: in the nightmare of history from which i am trying to awake [7, Dean]: did they explain how they let it slip away in '37? [0, BigBong]: yet every time i turn on the television... [6, Michael]: It didn't push them over the top I guess because they only partially adopted the recomendations of the Scientific councilk.. [6, Michael]: [0, BigBong]: bang bang bang [0, BigBong]: instead of bong bong bong >> [14] Richard left the chat. [3, observer]: michael, [1, Will]: I'll give up my winchester double-barrel 12 gauge when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands. [15, DrugSenseBot001]: michael, is that really you? [0, BigBong]: easy to see [0, BigBong]: where the world gone wrong [3, observer]: raw transcript is en route to you now [0, BigBong]: ;O)--~ [15, DrugSenseBot001]: http://www.bigbongburgerbar.com/ [3, observer]: I'm Doug Snead [0, BigBong]: forget ;O)--~~ [15, DrugSenseBot001]: BigBong, I have forgotten ;o)--~~. [3, observer]: in Fairfax, Virginia :-) [6, Michael]: I am not sure I am qualified to answer that.. ;-) [0, BigBong]: forget ;O)--~ [15, DrugSenseBot001]: BigBong, I have forgotten ;o)--~. [16, Frank]: You did battle with the evil Dr. Michael Miller from Madison, though, Mike. [3, observer]: We met at the 4/20 party :-) [3, observer]: bot [15, DrugSenseBot001]: yes, observer? [3, observer]: silly bot [6, Michael]: Cool.. Thanks!! I guess I will want two now.. ;-) [3, observer]: Michael [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Michael is a nice guy, and he does know what pain means [3, observer]: Michael, [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Michael, is that really you? [3, observer]: lol [17, sonnyboy]: Peace and big budzzzz be yours,, PooooFFF >> [17] sonnyboy left the chat. [6, Michael]: Pain is getting you penis stuck in the door!! [3, observer]: the chatterbot parrots things back [3, observer]: LOL [6, Michael]: Suffering is not being able to free yourself!! [3, observer]: LOL !!! [3, observer]: suggering [1, Will]: quote dwyer [12, Trippin]: or at least the zipper [15, DrugSenseBot001]: "We may no longer live in the land of the free, where great men like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson once grew acres of Cannabis. However, we still live in the home of the brave. We are [3, observer]: pain [15, DrugSenseBot001]: brave enough to fight to regain that freedom, and to stand steadfast against any foe. As little David stood against the mighty Goliath, we shall remain firm in our resolve to stop the insanity [15, DrugSenseBot001]: known as the War on Drugs." - William J. Dwyer, author of "Cannabis Consumers Declaration of Freedom" - http://www.petitiononline.com/ccdof [15, DrugSenseBot001]: pain is getting you penis stuck in the door!! [3, observer]: [3, observer]: pain [15, DrugSenseBot001]: pain is getting you penis stuck in the door!! [6, Michael]: Torture is knowing someone is there but won't help you!!!!!! [3, observer]: suffering [15, DrugSenseBot001]: suffering is not being able to free yourself!! [15, DrugSenseBot001]: 1918 The Anti-Saloon League calls the "liquor traffic" "un-American," pro-German, crime-producing, food-wasting, youth-corrupting, home-wrecking, [and] treasonable." [Quoted in ibid. p. 121] [15, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 5/12/02 11:04:14 PM ET ] [3, observer]: torture [15, DrugSenseBot001]: torture is knowing someone is there but won't help you!!!!!! [3, observer]: lol [0, BigBong]: need to temporarily go off line and may not make it back for more than 4 and twenty hours, have to put a floor into a caravan and rerivet the roof [6, Michael]: Sounds familiar doesn't it.. [3, observer]: yes [3, observer]: good bot [15, DrugSenseBot001]: nice human [12, Trippin]: bye [16, Frank]: good luck bb [1, Will]: mmm [15, DrugSenseBot001]: mmm is the Million Marijuana March and also, the Michigan Marijuana Movement [3, observer]: see ya BB! [6, Michael]: I guess I have to hit the trail as well.. [0, BigBong]: however, i may be back for another 4 and 20 minutes worth, depends on the journey [12, Trippin]: lol [3, observer]: thanks again for a great chat Michael! [1, Will]: lol [6, Michael]: If anyone wants to reach me type miguet@november.org.. [6, Michael]: Be well!! [3, observer]: :-) >> Goodbye, cu ! +++Quit MELANGE> MELANGE> autologin: /nick BigBong 0 0 MELANGE> +OK [user] >> Melange Chat Server (V.2.02 B2,Drugsense Build), April 2002 Welcome ! (Type /HELP for a list of commands) >> List of users in this channel (MAIN [0]) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [0] BigBong, group: 0 >> [1] Will, group: 0 >> [3] observer, group: 0 >> [4] Amanda, group: 0 >> [7] Dean, group: 0 >> [8] Ben-Masel, group: 0 >> [12] Trippin, group: 0 >> [15] DrugSenseBot001, group: 0 >> [16] Frank, group: 0 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [1, Will]: that was quick BigBong [3, observer]: wb BB [4, Amanda]: wb BB [12, Trippin]: the thing is that this is that the person who wrote me doesnt know i spent time in the phillipines and i know about their practises from when i was there [12, Trippin]: wb [15, DrugSenseBot001]: wb is welcome back [1, Will]: funny... if you really spent any time in the Philippines, you'd know how to spell it! :P [12, Trippin]: lol thanks will hahaha [16, Frank]: Have any lumpia while you were there, Trip? :) [1, Will]: lol [12, Trippin]: sure did frank [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Get ready! It is *almost* 4:20 in Algiers, Anadyr, Kamchatka, Lagos, Lisbon, London, Dublin (it is 4:15 there now) [4, Amanda]: Is your letter at MAP, Trippin? [12, Trippin]: tried theold eggs once didnt care for em [12, Trippin]: yes amanda [4, Amanda]: whats the title or url? [16, Frank]: Geo has a feral cat lumpia recipe planned, I think. [7, Dean]: guys I gotta go, see ya soon [12, Trippin]: it was called 'do i have a choice' >> [7] Dean left the chat. [1, Will]: cool... just got an email about a new website... www.legalizehempusa.com [4, Amanda]: Ok..I'll search [16, Frank]: Yeah the old eggs...balat or something? I worked with some Filipinos when I lived in CA. They'd bring lumpia to the office parties. >> [1] Will is called Will-Surfing now. [15, DrugSenseBot001]: cannabis oil contains: borneol, melting point: 210 -- antibiotic [15, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 5/12/02 11:18:14 PM ET ] [12, Trippin]: i was there for two years frank i was in subic bay and used to travel to manilla once a month [16, Frank]: to get shabu? [12, Trippin]: lol [12, Trippin]: yeah i tried that stuff years ago [4, Amanda]: Great letter, Trippin! [12, Trippin]: thanks amanda [16, Frank]: what is the url, Amanda? [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Looking on the net ... [16, Frank]: belay [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Frank, I will belay that command. [4, Amanda]: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n641/a08.html?1531 [15, DrugSenseBot001]: It's now 4:20 in Algiers, Anadyr, Kamchatka, Lagos, Lisbon, London, Dublin [1, Will-Surfing]: wow! I think I like www.legalizehempusa.com already! [12, Trippin]: i dont have a lot of LTes but im working on it ive only had two that havent meade it anywhere [16, Frank]: Great letter, Tripp! [12, Trippin]: thanks frank [16, Frank]: ty Amanda [1, Will-Surfing]: :)-~~ [3, observer]: _ [1, Will-Surfing]: oh man, I'm creamin' my jeans over www.legalizehempusa.com [12, Trippin]: lol [1, Will-Surfing]: awesome job for a brand new website! [0, BigBong]: fails the 20 second test >> User Ivy comes in from ts013d33.sea-wa.concentric.net at line 2. [3, observer]: lol [3, observer]: wb ivy [2, Ivy]: Hey [2, Ivy]: I'm getting married at Hempfest. [8, Ben-Masel]: It locks me up on Mac. [4, Amanda]: Congratulations, Ivy. [0, BigBong]: bit busy and java intensive in a dream weaverish way [3, observer]: lol [8, Ben-Masel]: Over 2 minutes and then froze. [16, Frank]: locked up on me with Netscape! [8, Ben-Masel]: Netscape on Mac here [4, Amanda]: Worked fine on Explorer. [16, Frank]: Took awhile to load even with DSL. [4, Amanda]: Gotta go guys....will try to check in tomorrow evening to see how things went for Marc. >> [4] Amanda left the chat. [2, Ivy]: What's up with Marc? [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Looking on the net ... [2, Ivy]: belay [15, DrugSenseBot001]: Ivy, I will belay that command. [0, BigBong]: time for me to split [0, BigBong]: see y'all when next i drop by [3, observer]: see ya BB ! [1, Will-Surfing]: quote revolution kennedy [15, DrugSenseBot001]: "If we make peaceful revolution impossible, we make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy [8, Ben-Masel]: quote lbj [15, DrugSenseBot001]: You [should] not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause if improperly [15, DrugSenseBot001]: administered. -- LBJ (Lyndon Baines Johnson) [15, DrugSenseBot001]: La cucaracha, la cucuracha, jo no puede caminar. Por que no? Por que no tengo, port que no tengo marijuana par fumar. -- traditionally sung by and about Pancho Villa's soldiers [15, DrugSenseBot001]: [ 5/12/02 11:32:13 PM ET ] [2, Ivy]: Umm...hello [12, Trippin]: io [16, Frank]: Ben, any plans for the Mayor's thing yet? [0, BigBong]: this just in; [3, observer]: ==u~ [0, BigBong]: Dear Genius [0, BigBong]: I am living in the UK and when Cannabis cafes open up I want to own 1 and the idea of munchies to hand will definately add to the attraction. I am a heavy user, been to amsterdam 5 times and lived there for a year, know loads, did grow, intelligent. So what do I need to do? Cheers [3, observer]: lol [8, Ben-Masel]: Cops are reconsidering my permit denial, and Brenda has placed my appeal on next weeks Council agenda. [3, observer]: _ >> [2] Ivy left the chat. [8, Ben-Masel]: Cities for people has scheduled their labor Temple countrconf. opposite drugwar protest Saturday Afternoon. [8, Ben-Masel]: sigh. [8, Ben-Masel]: Mayor says she'll arrange a table in hallway. [16, Frank]: Cool. Have to watch that one on tv. Or maybe go down, registe to speak, go out to dinner, see a movie, take in some live music, and by then maybe the item will come up, lol. [16, Frank]: I saw that Ben [16, Frank]: sucks [8, Ben-Masel]: Seems she's finally interested in Ibogaine. Directing new Health Dept chief to do a report on the scientific literature. [16, Frank]: Hey that is cool. Did you watch when they passed the resolution last Monday? Judy Olson put in a good plug for our PD Committee. [0, BigBong]: time for me to be outta here [0, BigBong]: till next [0, BigBong]: peace [15, DrugSenseBot001]: peace BigBong >> Goodbye, cu ! +++Quit